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Originally Posted by Hoonose
Not typically until very late in our history. And eradication of infectious disease has had huge positive impacts on longevity in the 3rd world the last half of the 20th century.
And my husband is 84 years old and "medical intervention" turned him into a slobbering zombie. Gee, thanks, AMA.
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I know. I've said myself in another forum that I wouldn't want my kid to take this rushed vaccine without knowing what's in it and if it has side effects, but I'm good with the other scheduled vaccines for my kid.
I automatically got called an anti-vaxxer because I wouldn't be the first in line to get my kid with the COVID vaccine. It's like critical thinking goes out the window.
I know. I've said myself in another forum that I wouldn't want my kid to take this rushed vaccine without knowing what's in it and if it has side effects, but I'm good with the other scheduled vaccines for my kid.
I automatically got called an anti-vaxxer because I wouldn't be the first in line to get my kid with the COVID vaccine. It's like critical thinking goes out the window.
There is little reason to give it to kids as they are so low risk as it is. In fact the MMR vaccine that they already had may be protecting them.
Any new covid 19 directed vaccine will mainly go first to those with high risks.
Funny, people have been living until their 80s-100s for centuries before vaccines.
Some people, yes. Most people, no.
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Originally Posted by JobZombie
Yet an unintended consequence would cause the strain to mutate such that its strength potential multiplies many times over in an effort to defend itself and take all host organisms down with it in a valiant, exceptionally executed, and most importantly successful, effort to cure itself. All initiated with a vaccine...
It has happened before. Study the super strains that have rendered anti bacterial agents, soaps, etc. useless.
Not the way vaccines work. If humans are the only host for a virus, it can actually be eradicated, as happened with smallpox and eventually will happen with polio. There are other potentially eradicable viruses, including measles and hepatitis B.
The "super strains" have nothing to do with vaccines. That refers to antibiotics.
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Originally Posted by coschristi
Really, how many people does it "kill"? A recent year before there were vaccines available was 1950. No Polio vax & no Measles vax.
In the US in 1950, the death rate from Polio was 1.3 per 100,000 & for Measles, it was 0.5 per 100,000 (page 229). No vaccines.
That is way lower than heart disease (355.5) that we don't have a vaccine for. Lower than accidents (60.6) that we don't have a vaccine for. Lower than Cirrhosis (9.2) that we don't have a vaccine for. Lower than homicide (5.3) that we don't have a vaccine for & lower than childbirth (2.0) that we don't have a vaccine for.
Compared to the death rate from just one alleged vaccine injury; SIDS, which was 35.4 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2017. https://www.cdc.gov/sids/data.htm
Not to mention you are still free to vaccinate yourself, which should, according probably to you; protect you from Polio & Measles. Who & what is really killing people here again?
Anti-vaccinationists helped to fuel the epidemic of measles in Samoa last year that resulted in 82 deaths, mostly children. That is how the anti-vaccine movement kills.
Your death rates ignore those who survived measles and polio but had permanent handicaps. With vaccines the death rate from polio in the US is zero and that from measles close to zero. Your comparison to other causes of death is irrelevant.
Vaccines do not cause SIDS. No "alleged" about it.
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Not the way vaccines work. If humans are the only host for a virus, it can actually be eradicated, as happened with smallpox and eventually will happen with polio. There are other potentially eradicable viruses, including measles and hepatitis B.
The "super strains" have nothing to do with vaccines. That refers to antibiotics.
They could make a synthetic variant of the strain chemically and simply reposition the molecule that neutralizes its composition that causes the defending organism to more easily and efficiently render the virus inoperative such that the biological component is such that the body under attack
Wrong - current life expectancy in the U. S. is 78.93 years.
Okay, 78.93.
That's still not 80-100.
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