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I hope you never serve on a jury. It will be difficult to get 3rd-degree murder in this case. Manslaughter is more realistic. I don't have all of the facts—none of us do. But, I find it implausible that anyone intended for Floyd to die.
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LOL, nonsense.
You don't even need intent to kill for murder 3. That's a given.
Murder 2 requires intent to kill, which IMO is satisfied by the fact that he continued choking the man for over 2 minutes after he went limp....you simply don't do that unless you intend to kill them.
Murder 1 requires intent AND premeditation. There's an argument to be made that premeditation can occur nearly instantly, but I've always hated that idea.
To me it's a slam dunk murder 2 charge, you simply cannot argue that he didn't intend to kill the guy if you have ever choked someone out before. Holding a choke for 2 minutes is excessive, holding it for 2 minutes BEYOND the time the person goes limp? Unthinkable.
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You don't even need intent to kill for murder 3. That's a given.
Murder 2 requires intent to kill, which IMO is satisfied by the fact that he continued choking the man for over 2 minutes after he went limp....you simply don't do that unless you intend to kill them.
Murder 1 requires intent AND premeditation. There's an argument to be made that premeditation can occur nearly instantly, but I've always hated that idea.
To me it's a slam dunk murder 2 charge, you simply cannot argue that he didn't intend to kill the guy if you have ever choked someone out before. Holding a choke for 2 minutes is excessive, holding it for 2 minutes BEYOND the time the person goes limp? Unthinkable.
The official autopsy casts doubt on asphyxiation, and a Fox News crackpot did the independent autopsy. You can't make this up!
The official autopsy casts doubt on asphyxiation, and a Fox News crackpot did the independent autopsy. You can't make this up!
No it doesn't. It was officially ruled a homicide and watching the video it's obvious what happened, he died of asphyxiation due to a blood choke that was put on him for over 8 minutes and maintained long after he lost consciousness.
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Benjamin Crump Announces Three Funerals and a Viewing For George Floyd – Three States in Five Days…
Benjamin Crump did not specify if the body of George Floyd will be carried across the nation to accompany multiple funerals; however, in a Facebook interview today the attorney for the Floyd family announced he and the team have organized three funerals and a viewing over five days in three states.
There will be a nationally televised public memorial service in Minneapolis, MN, on Thursday June 4th from 1pm to 3pm.
There will be an additional nationally televised public memorial service in North Carolina, Saturday June 6th from 11am to 3pm
There will be a nationally televised viewing and memorial service in Houston, TX, Monday June 8th 12pm to 6pm
There will be a nationally televised public funeral in Houston, TX, Tuesday June 9th, 11am EDT.
It would appear the North Carolina funeral and memorial service relates to the 2020 election and the DNC need to politicize opposition against the RNC convention. Additionally, Benjamin Crump stated presidential candidate Joe Biden will attend the funeral services in Houston Texas on June 9th.
No it doesn't. It was officially ruled a homicide and watching the video it's obvious what happened, he died of asphyxiation due to a blood choke that was put on him for over 8 minutes and maintained long after he lost consciousness.
It does indeed cast doubt on asphyxiation, it doesn't even mention it. Doesn't matter of course as it does conclude homicide by "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
To me it's a slam dunk murder 2 charge, you simply cannot argue that he didn't intend to kill the guy if you have ever choked someone out before. Holding a choke for 2 minutes is excessive, holding it for 2 minutes BEYOND the time the person goes limp? Unthinkable.
Minneapolis police officers have a record of administering neck restraints at least 237 times since the beginning of 2015. This includes 44 people who were rendered unconscious.
It also seems unlikely that someone would intentionally commit murder with witnesses a few feet away.
Having said that these neck restraints should probably be banned entirely.
No it doesn't. It was officially ruled a homicide and watching the video it's obvious what happened, he died of asphyxiation due to a blood choke that was put on him for over 8 minutes and maintained long after he lost consciousness.
No offense bobby - but where did you get your medical degree? I have yet to make a call on murder or not because I want to see the autopsy report. We have no idea what sort of pressure the police officer exerted and I want to see what the pathologist actually says.
Minneapolis police officers have a record of administering neck restraints at least 237 times since the beginning of 2015. This includes 44 people who were rendered unconscious.
It also seems unlikely that someone would intentionally commit murder with witnesses a few feet away.
Having said that these neck restraints should probably be banned entirely.
The restraints are banned in I think 40 states but are still taught at the academy and in the procedure books so those officers were following procedure. Some of Minneapolis politicians have been campaigning on a police brutality platform since 2012 and yet there was only one small provision changed that really didn't make much of a difference. The politicians dropped the ball but no one is calling them on it. The neck restraint procedure could have been taken off the books and not used for years had the politicians done their job and fulfilled their campaign promises.
Minneapolis police officers have a record of administering neck restraints at least 237 times since the beginning of 2015. This includes 44 people who were rendered unconscious.
It also seems unlikely that someone would intentionally commit murder with witnesses a few feet away.
Having said that these neck restraints should probably be banned entirely.
No doubt Minneapolis will join the majority of police departments and ban neck restraint. I just saw that San Diego banned them yesterday. The fact remains that Chauvin's defense will argue he used an acceptable procedure. They'll also point out that Floyd was saying 'I can't breathe' before he went to the ground.
It's murder and the criminal cop is going to jail for the rest of his life.
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