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Mask mandates don't make more people wear masks and it puts some people in precarious situations. My son works retail and people are jerks. It's not his rule, but they are nasty, combative to those employees. ugh.
The main point is was did the study not show what the current narrative is (that masks are so great) and so they refused to publish it. The results may have not been what the expect. So if the study comes out in a few months somehow saying masks work, does it have any credibility now.
If you have taken statistics....yuck hated it....there are studies, and then there are poorly designed studies
Mask mandates don't make more people wear masks and it puts some people in precarious situations. My son works retail and people are jerks. It's not his rule, but they are nasty, combative to those employees. ugh.
I wish people could be nicer.
I will never understand that. You might not agree with the rules, but you’re an adult and you’re going to abuse a kid over just trying to do his job? There was a teen worker (17) beaten badly enough by a 39 year old man that he needed to be hospitalized for a week, with surgery required due to a fractured jaw, because he dared to inform a family at Sesame Place that PA requires masks. Sesame Place is for little kids, and he did this in front of his kids.
I will never understand that. You might not agree with the rules, but you’re an adult and you’re going to abuse a kid over just trying to do his job? There was a teen worker (17) beaten badly enough by a 39 year old man that he needed to be hospitalized for a week, with surgery required due to a fractured jaw, because he dared to inform a family at Sesame Place that PA requires masks. Sesame Place is for little kids, and he did this in front of his kids.
It's called mind your own business. The teen should have reported it to his supervisor and let the supervisor deal with it.
The pandemic has been over since May here in Taiwan because the government went on a crash program to manufacture millions of surgical and N95 masks and 95% of the population wore them willingly for three months. Healthcare workers never had a shortage of PPE.
There was never a lockdown. 7 people out of a population of nearly 24 million died of COVID-19. Schools and businesses including restaurants have been open and operating normally the whole time. That despite the fact that Taiwan is only 81 miles from China and one of the most densely populated countries on earth, which made social distancing impossible.
The economy is projected to grow 3 to 4% this year.
The pandemic has been over since May here in Taiwan because the government went on a crash program to manufacture millions of surgical and N95 masks and 95% of the population wore them willingly for three months. Healthcare workers never had a shortage of PPE.
There was never a lockdown. 7 people out of a population of nearly 24 million died of COVID-19. Schools and businesses including restaurants have been open and operating normally the whole time. That despite the fact that Taiwan is only 81 miles from China and one of the most densely populated countries on earth, which made social distancing impossible.
The economy is projected to grow 3 to 4% this year.
This is the story all over eastern Asia, from Japan, to South Korea, to China itself.
It's not the story in Europe, middle east or the Americas.
Fact? What FACT! And you can proved this how? It's like saying that smelling cigar smoke can make one fat. That's the problem, too much BS and conflicting information amounting to nothing. It gives more reasons to keep the power hungry to keep kicking this rusty can of a pandemic down the road.
During the 1969 (H3N2) Hon Kong Flu Pandemic, 1 to 4 million died. There was Woodstock going on and a man set foot on the moon. There was no stupid masks or lockdowns.
Yes, it is a fact that the increase in cases appears to be due to lack of mask use and distancing in private homes and social activities.
"Tuznik said don’t forget that one of the major sources of the increased spread of COVID-19 has been private parties and family gatherings."
US deaths were about 100,000, not 1 million during the 1969 flu pandemic. COVID-19 deaths in the US are climbing toward a quarter million with no end in sight, in less than a year and with mitigation efforts.
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The main point is was did the study not show what the current narrative is (that masks are so great) and so they refused to publish it. The results may have not been what the expect. So if the study comes out in a few months somehow saying masks work, does it have any credibility now.
I have read a description of how the study was conducted. It pretty much cannot determine anything one way or another about mask use.
"According to the authors, their goal is to: 'study whether a face mask protects the wearer of the mask against SARS-CoV-2 infection. The findings are expected to apply to the present pandemic and to future viral outbreaks and to provide evidence for authority recommendations across the world,' (1). We believe that the design of this study is inappropriate to achieve these stated objectives. What follows is a description of some of the study design elements which limit what the study can tell us about mask wearing and COVID-19."
They discuss the risk of noncompliance in both the mask users and no-users, the study not having the power to discern small differences, which would bias the study toward masks being ineffective, and the short duration of the study period. Finally, masks are felt to work primarily as source control, prevention of spread by someone who is infected, not as a protection for the mask wearer.
There are issues with testing (false negative and false positive) and the study participants did their own swabs, so test technique could not be standardized.
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It's called mind your own business. The teen should have reported it to his supervisor and let the supervisor deal with it.
"Tuznik said don’t forget that one of the major sources of the increased spread of COVID-19 has been private parties and family gatherings."
US deaths were about 100,000, not 1 million during the 1969 flu pandemic. COVID-19 deaths in the US are climbing toward a quarter million with no end in sight, in less than a year and with mitigation efforts.
I have read a description of how the study was conducted. It pretty much cannot determine anything one way or another about mask use.
"According to the authors, their goal is to: 'study whether a face mask protects the wearer of the mask against SARS-CoV-2 infection. The findings are expected to apply to the present pandemic and to future viral outbreaks and to provide evidence for authority recommendations across the world,' (1). We believe that the design of this study is inappropriate to achieve these stated objectives. What follows is a description of some of the study design elements which limit what the study can tell us about mask wearing and COVID-19."
They discuss the risk of noncompliance in both the mask users and no-users, the study not having the power to discern small differences, which would bias the study toward masks being ineffective, and the short duration of the study period. Finally, masks are felt to work primarily as source control, prevention of spread by someone who is infected, not as a protection for the mask wearer.
There are issues with testing (false negative and false positive) and the study participants did their own swabs, so test technique could not be standardized.
It is his job, so it is his business.
Wrong. Mask use has nothing to do with it. But yes, people are ignoring social distancing.
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