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Does anyone actually believe these "personal" stories about supposed long-term right or left voters suddenly switching sides based on obvious propaganda being overblown into a dumb movement? This is about as believable as the whole Walkaway thing. No Democrat/liberal speaks like this. They don't believe every single conservative trope, lie and stereotype about Democrats/liberals. This is not a post from a "Democrat" who is fed up with the left. Come on. At least learn to lie better.
Well, clearly a few do believe it as there’s a good rah-rah section in this thread.
Personally, whenever I see a wall of text like this I suspect that someone is testing out new talking points for a social media blitz.
Whatever the motivation, it just comes across as lots of noise, signifying nothing.
Ironically, my point was that when we try to put someone like the Unabomber or Eric Rudolph into a political category that suits out needs, we're almost always wrong. And then you came along....
Oh the irony!
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Question for everyone, you remember when the Left would talk about right wingers like Eric Rudolph or the Unabomber? The Right would correctly point ot they they were not Republicans. They were too far to the right.
Were you not putting the Unabomber into a political category yourself when you claimed that Republicans "correctly" said that he was too far to the right to be a Republican?
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Bjut please list the things Kaczynski stood for that the left would get behind.
I said some people in the Green Party agreed with much of his ideas.
For example, Michigan's Green Party gubernatorial candidate, David Skrbina, actually said minus the violence that Kaczynski was largely right. He says technology was destroying not just the earth, but human freedoms and spirits, etc. Hard core greens will find much of the core of his message true.
Are you actually familiar with Kaczynski's work? He criticizes the right as hard as he does the left calling them whining fools and hypocrites.
I've voted democrat most of my life and I've spent the last 3.5 years being as disgusted with Trump as anyone. These last few months though have taken what seemed like background noise about the radical left and amplified it into a loud, blaring wake-up call. The left in America has completely lost it's mind. It consists of either far left radicals or people who may be center left but apologize or enable far left radicals.
One of the new catchphrases we've been hearing is "Silence is Violence". This is meant to suggest that if you are silent on racism, you are complicit in the violence it causes. The irony of that statement is so ridiculous that it serves as a perfect example of the current leftist insanity!
- Someone who is silent or not vocal enough in denouncing racism is complicit in violence committed by others.
- Meanwhile, people who are LITERALLY engaging in REAL violence, burning cities, attacking and killing people, occupying parts of cities, etc are apologized for and enabled. Their bail is paid for and they are not held to account by the left for their actions.
So in the left's view. If I stay home, pay my taxes, follow the law, act like a responsible citizen and decline to participate in BLM protests or activism, I am more evil and contemptible than someone who is out burning cities, tearing down public statues and assaulting or killing people! Can you see why this is no longer my party?
However, that is not the reason why I brought up "Silence is Violence". I brought it up to turn it around and aim it back at the left. Your silence on what is happening to YOUR party makes YOU complicit as well.
I'm done with the left! I can't vote for Trump but I won't vote Dem either. Actually, as bad as I thought Trump was, the left in the last few months has horrified my more than the 3.5 years we've just suffered through. I never thought the term "defund or abolish" the police would be taken seriously. I never thought I'd see my own countrymen tearing down our statues and defacing our history. I never thought freedom of speech and ideas would erode to the point that it has in our media and universities.
The left champions itself as the party of science yet it will immediately silence and denounce any scientist that might contradict some of the left's sacred cows.
- We've seen it for decades now with climate change where any non-alarmist scientist is shunned and silenced.
- We see it with gender, where DNA no longer determines if you are male or female, your FEELINGS do!
- We see it with statistics on police arrests that show that racism is not the systemic problem it is being made out to be.
- We see it with Covid-19 and denigrating the effictiveness of Hydroxychlorquine simply to spite Trump who had advocated for it.
- We see it with people saying with a straight face, that mass protests and rioting are not a concern for spreading covid after we've just been told mass gatherings were bad and we could not see loved ones in their final moments in the hospital. We could not hold proper funerals but George Floyd had about THREE of them that were fit for a head of state!
Then we have the insanity of Cancel Culture, where you can have your life ruined by something you said 15 years ago.
This is a world where we have leftist professors in our universities saying the most racist, sexist things you can imagine with no shame or apology but if you tweet "blue lives matter" or simply say you approve of the duly elected president of United States as the CEO of Goya did, you deserve to be cancelled, boycotted and shamed.
This is a world where a children's cartoon like Paw Patrol is cancelled as offensive or triggering but the most vile gangster rap is condoned and celebrated.
This is a world where it's absolutely acceptable to be racist as long as it's towards white people. We call unpleasant white women "Karens" without any sense of shame or irony! Can you imagine if we had a represenative African American name for unpleasant black women? Can you imagine the media running article after article about the latest example of a "Shanice" behaving badly?
Can you imagine a bestselling book called Black fragilty or Asian fragility?
Can you imagine workshops to reduce your blackness?
It seems like the radical left wants to tear down the system. What do they plan on replacing it with? We had the opportunity to see this in action with CHOP/CHAZ and it ended as badly as you would expect. We are supposed to want to try this on a national level?
Our system is not perfect and it can be improved but tearing it all down and expecting whatever is cobbled together in place of it to work BETTER is just shear insanity that any thinking, rational adult should reject immediately.
You're disgusted with Trump. Good, so am I.
You're disgusted by the radical left. Good, so am I.
So why not vote for a moderate, sensible "normal" candidate. Someone who doesn't encourage violence by right-wing racists or by leftist antifa hooligans. Someone who takes complaints about the police seriously, but would stop short of "defund". Someone who projects respect for white and black, men and women.
I'm talking about Joe Biden, of course.
I have never heard Biden say "silence is violence". What he DID say:
“Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”
“Tonight, I ask all of America to join me – not in denying our pain or covering it over – but using it to compel our nation across this turbulent threshold into the next phase of progress, inclusion, and opportunity for our great democracy,” Mr Biden said. “We are a nation in pain, but we must not allow this pain to destroy us.”
Nah, that's not correct. Epstein visited Trump's club, but once Trump found out Epstein was into underage girls, he kicked him out of the club.
Meanwhile, Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's private jet to "pedophile island" on over 20 occasions. Hillary went a few times too, from what I read.
Also, you should consider researching about historical child trafficking rings within high-powered political, wealthy elite and well-connected CEOs, worldwide. It has gone on for decades.
Both Democrats and Republicans historically are guilty, but the DC swamp is full of people involved in this, amongst other crimes, at very high levels. It's a deep rabbit hole, and research and independent thought is required.
An "orange man bad" philosophy will not allow your mind to think clearly.
You gotta step back, do research, do not watch or read mainstream liberal/Democrat supported media, and you'll see that you'll be shocked at the stuff you'll find, and what we as a society are being duped on....it's a lot, and the Epstein ring was just the beginning.
There is photo and video evidence of a years-long association with Trump. The fact that he was in all of those circles and yet you are telling us we should believe he either didn't know or wasn't part of all that is hilariously naive on your part.
Why do I need to research it? It's been well-established for a long time. Rich douches get away with all sorts of things. You know, like when Trump admitted to sexually assaulting god knows how many women and you all were like "Hahaha, good one Mr. Trump! You clearly love women and that means you'll be a great president!"
You don't strike me as an independent. You want to point fingers at everyone else, say that lots of people are involved, but seem to need to maintain that massive blind spot regarding Trump who has long been right in the thick of it. If you're going to proclaim righteousness, you're going to need to pick better heroes.
Funny how you think keeping the status quo will change the bold. The chaos and destruction is happening on Trump's watch. We need a leader. Period.
I sometimes wonder if Trumpers have been out of their homes or turned on their TVs the last 6 months if they believe that Biden is going to be a source of chaos and destruction. How can things possibly get worse?
The left in America has completely lost it's mind. It consists of either far left radicals or people who may be center left but apologize or enable far left radicals.
I wish we could stop defining social movements with the terms Left and Right, which are fundamentally associated with economic philosophies.
Why should a system in which people are not bankrupted due to medical bills or denied medical care be associated with transgender bathroom rights?
Likewise, why should a system in which small business owners are not penalized into oblivion be associated with neo-Nazi sympathizers?
To the OP I stopped taking you seriously when you posted this :
"I never thought I'd see my own countrymen tearing down our statues and defacing our history."
Which History? That of the traitorous Confederacy?
Well for starters, they are NOT just tearing down confederate statues.
But for the sake of argumement, let's say they were....
Why does a mob armed with chains, ropes and spraypaint get to decide for the REST OF US, which statues we are allowed to have or not?
We are a society of rules and of law. If you don't like it, petition to remove it. Vote on it. You don't go there and just tear it down because you decided we should not have it anymore.
There is photo and video evidence of a years-long association with Trump. The fact that he was in all of those circles and yet you are telling us we should believe he either didn't know or wasn't part of all that is hilariously naive on your part.
Why do I need to research it? It's been well-established for a long time. Rich douches get away with all sorts of things. You know, like when Trump admitted to sexually assaulting god knows how many women and you all were like "Hahaha, good one Mr. Trump! You clearly love women and that means you'll be a great president!"
You don't strike me as an independent. You want to point fingers at everyone else, say that lots of people are involved, but seem to need to maintain that massive blind spot regarding Trump who has long been right in the thick of it. If you're going to proclaim righteousness, you're going to need to pick better heroes.
You gotta do some research. There's tons more going on in the world that we are told, and you gotta be curious enough to discover truth for yourself, and not be of a sort of sheep mindset.
Trump is the better choice, despite his shortcomings and divisive communication style.
Biden is unfortunately gonna be bullied and controlled by anyone who has some power and money.
I am an independent. I voted Democrat my entire life, and am voting Trump this year.
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