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Old 06-18-2021, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
If you are not infected at all you have no symptoms of the disease because you do not have the disease.

The vaccines are about 90% effective in preventing infection.

Vaccinated folks who do get infected have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people who get infected.
What you are talking about is "sterilising immunity". This only occurs when the exact version of the pathogen is the same as pathogen in the vaccine that you received. The COVID19 vaccines do not provide sterilising immunity.



The vaccines are about 90% effective in preventing SEVERE DISEASE.

Let's break this down:
You encounter a viral particle or particles.
It binds with a receptor on one of your cells. You are now infected, your disease is just starting.
You may or may not have symptoms of the disease at this point.
The speed at which your immune system identifies and responds to the infections determines your progression of the disease (and symptoms) and the amount of virus you shed (to infect others.)
The vaccine is used to prime your immune system and give it the ability to recognize the virus (or it's cousins.)
Your body's immune system recognizes the virus and kills the cells that have it.

You still were INFECTED. Your immune system fought off the infection. You still had the virus and were capable of passing it on. The vaccine did not stop you from getting infected. It primed your body to fight it off once you were infected.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/co...hoCrHgQAvD_BwE

 
Old 06-18-2021, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Yes I am so sorry so many people have treated you badly honey.......


You dont mean any harm...

Keep on being YOU Jamin.......I know its hard to try and help people who wont listen..
Hey, gottcha ......
 
Old 06-18-2021, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by jaminhealth View Post
No I'm not reading the thread and we know where you come from SQ.
Why comment in a thread which you have no desire to read?

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Originally Posted by snowmountains View Post
Right. Reported deaths << Actual deaths.
Source? Reporting of deaths after vaccination to VAERS is required.
 
Old 06-18-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
If you are not infected at all you have no symptoms of the disease because you do not have the disease.

The vaccines are about 90% effective in preventing infection.

Vaccinated folks who do get infected have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people who get infected.

Are you referring to the Moderna and Pfizer trials? The Vaccine Efficacy reported was:


Relative Risk Reduction
Moderna RRR 94.1%
Pfizer RRR 95%



However, these are the Relative Risk Reduction numbers. These are best used to compare trials under similar controlled conditions (age, health, etc).



What's not reported is the Absolute Risk Reduction numbers, which will give a better expectation of real world results. These came to:


Absolute Risk Reduction:
0.7 Pfizer
1.1% Moderna



ARR shows the control results minus the experimental results.
 
Old 06-18-2021, 10:01 PM
 
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Reports of deaths do not equal the actual numbers of deaths. You might consider reading the thread. That has been explained here numerous times.
Then how do we know all the numbers of people who supposedly died from covid, actually died from covid? You can't have it both ways.

Face it - there is no link, story or info anyone here can show you to prove anything to you... You will keep being pro shot...
 
Old 06-18-2021, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by james112 View Post
Are you referring to the Moderna and Pfizer trials? The Vaccine Efficacy reported was:

Relative Risk Reduction
Moderna RRR 94.1%
Pfizer RRR 95%

However, these are the Relative Risk Reduction numbers. These are best used to compare trials under similar controlled conditions (age, health, etc).

What's not reported is the Absolute Risk Reduction numbers, which will give a better expectation of real world results.
No, I gave the references here.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...l#post61278599

This explains how the relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction numbers are complementary, not contradictory.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2NK1XA

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Originally Posted by MisterShipWreck View Post
Then how do we know all the numbers of people who supposedly died from covid, actually died from covid? You can't have it both ways.

Face it - there is no link, story or info anyone here can show you to prove anything to you... You will keep being pro shot...
COVID-19 deaths are from death certificates.

Give me links to scientific data, not YouTube videos and anecdotes.
 
Old 06-19-2021, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Originally Posted by MisterShipWreck View Post
Then how do we know all the numbers of people who supposedly died from covid, actually died from covid? You can't have it both ways.

Face it - there is no link, story or info anyone here can show you to prove anything to you... You will keep being pro shot...
Bingo
 
Old 06-19-2021, 02:32 AM
 
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
Why comment in a thread which you have no desire to read?

Source? Reporting of deaths after vaccination to VAERS is required.
Why is the EU DB reporting so many more associated deaths? - LINK
 
Old 06-19-2021, 02:35 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel350z View Post
Then your headline that says 4 British pilots conspicuously dead after the notorious 2nd jab is misleading. Get back to us when you have more sources and it’s confirmed they died from the vaccine. Until then it’s nothing more than speculation and assumptions.
Given the dishonesty of our health agencies, probably best to assume vaccine death... and even if it was confirmed to your satisfaction, no big deal right?
 
Old 06-19-2021, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Why is the EU DB reporting so many more associated deaths? - LINK
The same disclaimer applies to the European reports:

https://www.adrreports.eu/en/disclaimer.html

"The information on this website does not reflect any confirmation of a potential link between the medicine and the observed effect(s)."

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Originally Posted by Rom623 View Post
Given the dishonesty of our health agencies, probably best to assume vaccine death... and even if it was confirmed to your satisfaction, no big deal right?
No, it is best to make no assumptions and go where the evidence takes you.
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