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Never Never a Word about getting one's own Immune System.... Strong. Never heard it from any of the Lbs.
Most people try to keep their immune systems strong and you do hear it from "Lbs." Point is, it doesn't do much, if any, good when it comes to this disease. If you haven't gotten it, it's most likely due to not going out very much because if you were out and about, you'd get exposed. "Lbs" and the Right both have been recommending vitamin D3, zinc, and quercetin because they could lessen the severity of the illness.
All of us want a treatment because most people aren't too thrilled at getting shots all the time. Well, maybe some have been thrilled with getting this shot when they consider the alternative, especially the elderly, diabetics, and people who are overweight. My two friends who were in the hospital for a couple of weeks, were given a medicine that they said started with the letter "R" and they started to feel better after that. Other treatments are in the works but some treatments haven't proven to even work! But it sounds like treatments are on the way.
Anyone who wants to get their life back and would like the world to open up again, would probably be best off getting the shot. This isn't just the USA--this disease has crushed the entire world.
Most people try to keep their immune systems strong and you do hear it from "Lbs." Point is, it doesn't do much, if any, good when it comes to this disease. If you haven't gotten it, it's most likely due to not going out very much because if you were out and about, you'd get exposed. "Lbs" and the Right both have been recommending vitamin D3, zinc, and quercetin because they could lessen the severity of the illness.
All of us want a treatment because most people aren't too thrilled at getting shots all the time. Well, maybe some have been thrilled with getting this shot when they consider the alternative, especially the elderly, diabetics, and people who are overweight. My two friends who were in the hospital for a couple of weeks, were given a medicine that they said started with the letter "R" and they started to feel better after that. Other treatments are in the works but some treatments haven't proven to even work! But it sounds like treatments are on the way.
Anyone who wants to get their life back and would like the world to open up again, would probably be best off getting the shot. This isn't just the USA--this disease has crushed the entire world.
Our family hasn’t gotten covid and and we have definitely been exposed on at least two occasions that we for sure know of. We went out and about after the initial shutdowns. My husband worked the whole time. My kids were in school full time as soon as that option became available.
At this point there is tons of evidence that ivermectin works when used in conjunction with things like zinc and other available treatments. We have choices.
Most people try to keep their immune systems strong and you do hear it from "Lbs." Point is, it doesn't do much, if any, good when it comes to this disease. If you haven't gotten it, it's most likely due to not going out very much because if you were out and about, you'd get exposed. "Lbs" and the Right both have been recommending vitamin D3, zinc, and quercetin because they could lessen the severity of the illness.
All of us want a treatment because most people aren't too thrilled at getting shots all the time. Well, maybe some have been thrilled with getting this shot when they consider the alternative, especially the elderly, diabetics, and people who are overweight. My two friends who were in the hospital for a couple of weeks, were given a medicine that they said started with the letter "R" and they started to feel better after that. Other treatments are in the works but some treatments haven't proven to even work! But it sounds like treatments are on the way.
Anyone who wants to get their life back and would like the world to open up again, would probably be best off getting the shot. This isn't just the USA--this disease has crushed the entire world.
I don't believe MOST keep their immune systems strong, I spent 4.5 months in rehabs for my knee issue long before covid and all those folks were propped up with drugs and not a sign of Vit C or Vit D. And if you will recall most of the early deaths were in old age homes.
When I was in them I had to bring my own in and ask my MD to order me some that I wanted.
And the libs NEVER mentioned Vit C, Vit D etc but Trump brought up Zinc early, who heard him? They all hated him but he knew a lot.
Our family hasn’t gotten covid and and we have definitely been exposed on at least two occasions that we for sure know of. We went out and about after the initial shutdowns. My husband worked the whole time. My kids were in school full time as soon as that option became available.
At this point there is tons of evidence that ivermectin works when used in conjunction with things like zinc and other available treatments. We have choices.
I tried to rep you but could not. The fear fear fear for the last 17 months is astounding. Myself and family are all fine, never sick, and daughter and grandkids even took trips by planes in the earlier months of it all.
And all the wrong advice about keeping oneself indoors, wearing masks, and what is really important is being outdoors in the air and keep the breathing good. So so much bad info given out and people didn't question, many did not. Many in my life questioned all of it.
I tried to rep you but could not. The fear fear fear for the last 17 months is astounding. Myself and family are all fine, never sick, and daughter and grandkids even took trips by planes in the earlier months of it all.
And all the wrong advice about keeping oneself indoors, wearing masks, and what is really important is being outdoors in the air and keep the breathing good. So so much bad info given out and people didn't question, many did not. Many in my life questioned all of it.
They all keep their immune systems in good place.
I think what society did to kids over the last year was way more harmful to them overall than covid. We’re seeing a massive increase in child and teen depression including increased suicide attempts. It’s frustrating to hear the same people who supported that now telling parents that they must also vaccinate our kids in spite of the fact that they are low risk for covid and in spite of the growing concerns about the vaccine including myocarditis.
I think what society did to kids over the last year was way more harmful to them overall than covid. We’re seeing a massive increase in child and teen depression including increased suicide attempts. It’s frustrating to hear the same people who supported that now telling parents that they must also vaccinate our kids in spite of the fact that they are low risk for covid and in spite of the growing concerns about the vaccine including myocarditis.
Oh it's a disaster to the young people, my grandson is waiting for Pepperdine to open up so he can finish 2 yrs of college, but he will NOT do the vaccines...so I don't know where all that will end and he will not go for a degree on line. Masking the little ones is absolutely HORRID, I've seen people wheeling babies in buggies and mask on that baby, I could scream.
I usually appreciate your posts but your link--"Health Impact News Shining the Light of Truth into the Darkness of Deceit" sounds pretty creepy and irreputable to me. It's just a tad alarmist, perhaps?
There are several other websites and Telegram groups that track this information - LINK , LINK2, LINk3 , LINK4(Telegram- over 100,000 users)
But I do think VaccineImpact.com keeps most up to date, plus you can keep scrolling down on any page to see all the stories. He links to the original source.
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We all know that there are risks with these vaccines, short term and maybe even long terms.
I dont think this is true, maybe they havnt started vaccinating youth in the UK, but American parents were not told the risk of heart inflammation on men under 30, nor have they been informed about the increased risk of adverse reactions if covid recovered, including hospitalizations.
In general people have not been informed about all the death associated with these vaccine(more than all others combined for 20+ years) or the safe alternatives available to them - LINK1, LINK2(page down 1 time to see the graph)
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It's very contagious and with variants sprouting up among the unvaccinated, we could wind up with a variant that's even worse than what we already have.
transparency is bad enough in the United States but even worse in the United Kingdom. They have been particularly opaque about post-vaccination deaths ever since the so-called “Delta Variant” began spreading around the country like wildfire. Scientists have speculated that the new variant not only circumvents the minimal protections offered by the vaccines, but in some cases seems to be more potent on those who have been vaccinated.
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So it's a risk to take the vaccine but you have to weigh the odds. Being a healthy adult who takes supplements and gets exercise isn't going to help you, unfortunately.
Several people in my office over 50 in poor physical shape, they took vitamins and never saw the hospital, doing alot less than what I would do. Even those over 70 though, Ivermectin would be far safer choice. - LINK (22 deaths out of 500 in this one nursing home example, you can easily find other accounts like it)
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I wish they had a proven treatment and hopefully that's on the way.
Being in the UK, you might be more familiar with Tess Laurie and John Cambell than others, the treatment has been known for months - LINK(video)
As I said, several pro-vax people who were initially for these vaccines have turned on them. There is far safer treatment, especially for those under 50 who had little risk to begin with.
COVID-19 deaths are based on a positive test for the virus and a clinical course consistent with the disease.
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Originally Posted by kmom2
You can watch a clip of the podcast where Weinstiein calls it the 'spike protein' and Kirsch corrects him and says it's the lipid nanoparticle, and they discuss that further. On DarkHorse Podcast clips look for "Pfizer data reveal: where do the lipid nanoparticles collect?" If you feel very strongly about your critique, maybe post it in the comments.
Your use of the word 'disinformation' as YouTube's reason---I don't think that is warranted. That means 'false information which is intended to mislead.' I'm not sure I agree with your analysis, but for the sake of argument, let's say you are correct, but let's say they misinterpreted the data. Or 'over-interpreted' as some critics say, or left organs off the graph.
Do we want censors deleting mistakes, divergent interpretations, or graphs that aren't exhaustive representations of data (even when they link to the primary data), or do we want the intellectual process to play out where information is held up to scrutiny? When they censor, the discussion is over. When they decide what the only interpretation of data is, we are in a bad place intellectually. That's not science, but intellectual fundamentalism, complete with the requisite 'book burning.' They don't even give a detailed analysis of why they censor, so we can't even weigh the viewpoints.
I'm less interested in the right/wrong of the Japanese data and Weinstein video, and more interested in the fact that we can't have these debates on certain forums, which are so large they have become 'the public square.' If they are demanding we inject something into our bodies, I want zero censorship so I can sift through everything: good, bad, wrong, right...and be the arbiter, not some You tube censor.
A "debate" based on pseudoscience has no value at all. It is like the people here claiming that every VAERS report of a death is a confirmed death.
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Originally Posted by CtrlEsc
I went back and reviewed the study that was apparently the source of the contagion article and the nature article. The CDC release does not include any study data - it's just a press release about some study they did. They provide no data.
What the article says: >90% protection from SARS COV2 infection. What the study says: ~95% (+- 4% based on disease progression) less viral load in INFECTED patients who had been fully vaccinated (2 doses and 12 days later.)
This was not a controlled study, it was people who worked in the health service who happened to show up infected (vaccinated and unvaccinated comparison.) They were grouped by age, symptom category, and vaccinated status. However, they did not determine length/time of infection. A better way would have been to contact trace and find out length of time of infection and compare those values.
The article(s) misrepresented the data. The study does not say >90% effective in preventing infection. It reinforces what we already knew, you are less likely to get severe disease.
You keep insisting that the figure I gave is from the original Pfizer and Moderna data. It is not. The original trials were designed to look at hospitalizations and deaths, not asymptomatic infection. The data on asymptomatic infection have been derived from real world sources. No one is misrepresenting anything.
Here is the peer reviewed study on the Pfizer vaccine:
"Two doses of BNT162b2 are highly effective across all age groups (≥16 years, including older adults aged ≥85 years) in preventing symptomatic and asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections and COVID-19-related hospitalisations, severe disease, and death, including those caused by the B.1.1.7 SARS-CoV-2 variant."
The evidence on prevention of asymptomatic infection is summarized here:
"Multiple studies from the United States and other countries demonstrate that a two-dose COVID-19 vaccination series is highly effective against SARS-CoV-2 infection (including both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections) and sequelae including severe disease, hospitalization, and death. Early evidence for the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen vaccine also demonstrates effectiveness against COVID-19 in real-world conditions."
By definition viral load can only be measured in people who are infected.
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Originally Posted by coschristi
Thing is, I don't think we can know without forensic post mortem studies. Blood can be drawn while living & organs can be biopsied while alive but if is this is being done; we don't get to know about it. A complete exam would require CNS & brain tissue & that can't be done while a subject is living, so we most certainly won't know about that, because that would involve conceding that people are dying after & likely from; the vaccine.
If the first mrna dose elicits a response against the lipids; the 2nd mrna dose won't be able to contain those spike proteins for very long. They would be free to circulate & immune responses would occur in every tissue they encounter.
If innate lipid metabolism is impaired by the immune response; then every tissue containing cholesterol could be affected. It's quite concerning.
You know, this is just pseudoscientific gibberish. There are no spike proteins contained in the lipid nanoparticle. The reason the mRNA is enclosed in the nanoparticle to begin with is because naked mRNA is metabolized almost immediately. It has to get into the cell in order to be transcribed and for the spike protein to be built. It is suspected that allergic reactions to the mRNA vaccines may be directed against one of the non-cholesterol lipids in the vaccine. People who have serious allergic reactions to the first dose are not given the second dose.
"In March 2020, IDSA formed a multidisciplinary panel of experts composed of infectious diseases clinicians, pharmacists and guideline specialists to develop rapid, evidence-based guidelines on COVID-19 treatment and management. These guidelines have been continuously updated since that time to reflect new research findings. In assessing the literature regarding the use of ivermectin in patients with COVID-19, the guideline panel has determined the certainty of evidence is very low for both hospitalized patients and outpatients. For this reason, the panel has made a conditional recommendation against the use of ivermectin in these populations outside the context of a clinical trial. The panel has also stated that well-designed, adequately powered and well-executed clinical trials are needed to inform decisions on treating COVID-19 with ivermectin."
Lies lies lies and fear fear fear and pharma keeps dripping in the billions they are making with their unapproved so called vaccines...and would NOT let Americans get the Hydroxy....... or Ivermectin and both have worked around the world.
We have to work so hard on our own natural immune systems and not put the unapproved technology in our bodies......grrrrrrrrr
My BIL is one of the data points why HCQ got pulled for covid treatment- it did nothing for his symptoms and nearly killed him.
Try again.
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