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Old 02-08-2021, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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By that logic, there would never be a person of color as a VP pick, because you'd just poison the well with the snarky "the fact that he/she's a ______________ is probably just a coincidence, right?"
So is it your position that Harris was the most qualified candidate for the job?

 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:18 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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You don’t get it. It’s not the black representation at these performances. It’s the pre-determined decision that the performers would be all black, except for one, and, to drive home the point, kick it off with the Black National Anthem.

And it’s not in isolation. It’s everywhere, as I explained. Biden proudly claimed that the majority of his Cabinet is POC (despite the fact that the majority of Americans are white), and he also announced beforehand that he would select a VP from among blacks only.

Beyond that, it’s at the commercial level. We are being told which brands are from black-owned businesses, so we can choose to prioritize blacks. All the models from the 8 lipstick shades I was considering were black. The majority of commercials are either black or bi-racial families. This means that white performers, or actors, or VP hopefuls, or lipstick models are being discriminated against.

And I fully know what it feels like to be “the only” in a crowd. I am a member of a minority myself. But I would cringe if all of a sudden, even though my minority makes up a very small percentage of Americans, the majority of commercials, and Cabinet members, and lipstick models all were members of MY minority.

It’s all so.....contrived.
Post the link to the website with only Black models for lipstick. You keep bringing it up, let’s see it.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:19 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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I think I’ll try to explain it to you in a way that might help you understand better.

Anyone who’s not white is implicitly told to go through life without drawing attention to it. I am brown, but have friends of all races. One time, I was hanging out with one of my white friends and another friend, who is also brown, called me and told me to stop by a party she was at. I asked my white friend if she was down to check it out, and her response “Am I going to be the only white person there?” How many times had I been with her as the only nonwhite person in the room? And yet, I never mentioned it or drew attention it because that’s just how life is. But the minute she thought she might be in the minority, she announced it out loud and I had to acknowledge it and coddle her discomfort, even though my comfort is never asked about. It’s not even considered, and when you’re not white, you’re used to navigating through life like that.

This is kind of how I equate people in this thread who are upset at the black representation at these performances. You’ve never had to think about representation before, and so you have never noticed it or gave it any thought. Now that representation matters have been brought to the forefront of society, you’re uncomfortable—like my friend who was uncomfortable going to that party.

Do you see maybe why your discomfort may be offensive to others?
Good post
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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And yet....



A person has to be severely insecure if they are so offended that other races are getting acknowledgments after all these centuries. What I can’t figure out is why are they so insecure? Why constantly push down others to try to raise themselves up?
Insecurity is not the issue. The issue is the perceived systematic villainization of the entire "white" race. Most if not all people I know have no problem with people of other races working their way up in the world and reaping the benefits they have earned and deserve. What people do have a problem with is being told day in and day out that their race is essentially evil and unworthy of decent treatment by people of other racial backgrounds. For some reason, a central theme behind "black empowerment" and "racial equity" is the degradation of "the white race". This is what puts the races at odds. You can not say you want "equality for all" while simultaneously trying to deny the same to a particular race. That's called racism, and it is being perpetrated against white people across the nation on a daily basis.

Now, some enjoy saying "it's payback" or " white people deserve to be treated badly" because some of us had kin who did some bad things hundreds of years ago. Well, I'm sorry, but that doesn't wash. As a white man, I can say that I have never done a thing to oppress or hurt a person of any particular race for any racially motivated reason. So, since I know this to be true, I know that I owe NOTHING to anyone and I know that I do not deserve to be treated as a lesser human being because of my skin color. It's almost as if people want to bring the mindset of the "slave days" back in full force, only this time they want to aim it at the white people.

That is the problem fragile, not insecurity. This country fought a war with itself 150 years ago and the result of that war was freedom for ALL. And over the last 50 years, that war finally paid off and freedom for all truly became a reality. So why does it feel like the hate fires are being stoked so heavily, right when we've reached these shining heights of equality for our people? Could it be that they just want us to hate each other perpetually, because if we ever actually came together, we could no longer be easily controlled?

Also, on the subject of the OP, calling the song "The Black National Anthem" is absolutely divisive and wrong. If anyone were to stand up and sing a song and call it "The White National Anthem" their lives and everyone they knew would be destroyed. Having two sets of rules for people based on race is a sure fire way to breed anger and division. Which is exactly why the powers that be decided it was a good idea to call that song "The Black National Anthem". United we stand, Divided we fall.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:25 PM
 
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Insecurity is not the issue. The issue is the perceived systematic villainization of the entire "white" race. Most if not all people I know have no problem with people of other races working their way up in the world and reaping the benefits they have earned and deserve. What people do have a problem with is being told day in and day out that their race is essentially evil and unworthy of decent treatment by people of other racial backgrounds. For some reason, a central theme behind "black empowerment" and "racial equity" is the degradation of "the white race". This is what puts the races at odds. You can not say you want "equality for all" while simultaneously trying to deny the same to a particular race. That's called racism, and it is being perpetrated against white people across the nation on a daily basis.

Now, some enjoy saying "it's payback" or " white people deserve to be treated badly" because some of us had kin who did some bad things hundreds of years ago. Well, I'm sorry, but that doesn't wash. As a white man, I can say that I have never done a thing to oppress or hurt a person of any particular race for any racially motivated reason. So, since I know this to be true, I know that I owe NOTHING to anyone and I know that I do not deserve to be treated as a lesser human being because of my skin color. It's almost as if people want to bring the mindset of the "slave days" back in full force, only this time they want to aim it at the white people.

That is the problem fragile, not insecurity. This country fought a war with itself 150 years ago and the result of that war was freedom for ALL. And over the last 50 years, that war finally paid off and freedom for all truly became a reality. So why does it feel like the hate fires are being stoked so heavily, right when we've reached these shining heights of equality for our people? Could it be that they just want us to hate each other perpetually, because if we ever actually came together, we could no longer be easily controlled?

Also, on the subject of the OP, calling the song "The Black National Anthem" is absolutely divisive and wrong. If anyone were to stand up and sing a song and call it "The White National Anthem" their lives and everyone they knew would be destroyed. Having two sets of rules for people based on race is a sure fire way to breed anger and division. Which is exactly why the powers that be decided it was a good idea to call that song "The Black National Anthem". United we stand, Divided we fall.
Oh please. Are you unaware of the history of treatment of blacks in this country? Are you unaware it still happens? Look at this very thread. Complaining over & over because black people get acknowledgement. Give me a break.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:27 PM
 
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Anyone who calls Lift Every Voice and Sing divisive and wrong is blatantly saying that they they did not care that Black people were not considered American citizens until the 1960s. Further, they are angry that Black people had the nerve to create an anthem for themselves during that time. They are angry that Black people forged an identity regardless of the circumstances.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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Oh please. Are you unaware of the history of treatment of blacks in this country? Are you unaware it still happens? Look at this very thread. Complaining over & over because black people get acknowledgement. Give me a break.
In other words, you have no intention of actually engaging in an intelligent conversation when it comes to this subject. You in now way addressed anything I tried to discuss with you. Instead, you opt for this played out response, once again trying to blame the current atmosphere of hatred toward white people permeating the media on events of the distant past. I'm pretty sure I covered this in my original message concerning your post. Let me ask you, are you aware that white people are also treated badly in this country? Did you know it's still happening every day? So no, please, you give me a break and in the future actually engage in actual debate with me instead of throwing me this sort of tired response.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:38 PM
 
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In other words, you have no intention of actually engaging in an intelligent conversation when it comes to this subject. You in now way addressed anything I tried to discuss with you. Instead, you opt for this played out response, once again trying to blame the current atmosphere of hatred toward white people permeating the media on events of the distant past. I'm pretty sure I covered this in my original message concerning your post. Let me ask you, are you aware that white people are also treated badly in this country? Did you know it's still happening every day? So no, please, you give me a break and in the future actually engage in actual debate with me instead of throwing me this sort of tired response.
You get a tired response in response to another tired response. This constant crying about blacks has gotten beyond old. “I’m tired of seeing blacks in commercials. I’m tired of seeing blacks in movies/tv shows”. “I’m tired of blacks getting hired only because they’re black”.

And these same people crying? They have the audacity to screech “I’m not racist!” Please.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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Anyone who calls Lift Every Voice and Sing divisive and wrong is blatantly saying that they they did not care that Black people were not considered American citizens until the 1960s. Further, they are angry that Black people had the nerve to create an anthem for themselves during that time. They are angry that Black people forged an identity regardless of the circumstances.
Lol, it's so refreshing when a person thinks they can just put every person who says something they don't agree with in a little group. I've expressed my reasons for why I feel labeling a song for only one race is divisive and wrong. And it has nothing to do with feelings. The naming of the song is divisive, because it's basically saying "this song is only for black people". No other race could do this without being attacked. That's what makes it divisive. We have a national anthem, and it has no labels attached. It is for ALL of the American people, and that includes black people. Saying that song is only for "whites" would be wrong. And it would be divisive. Just as labeling this other song as if it is only for black people is divisive and wrong. The song could simply become a complement to our existing anthem. A song for all people. A song for a country that has actually learned from the past, and has a bright future ahead. How can we ever truly be equal if there's always someone trying to find ways to divide us?
 
Old 02-08-2021, 07:46 PM
 
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Lol, it's so refreshing when a person thinks they can just put every person who says something they don't agree with in a little group. I've expressed my reasons for why I feel labeling a song for only one race is divisive and wrong. And it has nothing to do with feelings. The naming of the song is divisive, because it's basically saying "this song is only for black people". No other race could do this without being attacked. That's what makes it divisive. We have a national anthem, and it has no labels attached. It is for ALL of the American people, and that includes black people. Saying that song is only for "whites" would be wrong. And it would be divisive. Just as labeling this other song as if it is only for black people is divisive and wrong. The song could simply become a complement to our existing anthem. A song for all people. A song for a country that has actually learned from the past, and has a bright future ahead. How can we ever truly be equal if there's always someone trying to find ways to divide us?
The song was penned when Black people were excluded from society. The division was not made by them. You are angry at them for forging an identity when they were not considered citizens at all. You wanted them to have nothing at all. How sick and disgusting.

You are the one rejecting the song as a compliment to our existing anthem. The words of the song speak about learning from the past and of a bright future ahead. But you are too busy being divisive.
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