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The Nuremberg Code addresses consent to participate in an experiment. If you do not wish to participate no one will make you do it.
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Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant
It seems some say the vaccine is considered experimental some say its not. What we do know it was only approved by the FDA for emergency use and to my knowledge its not the same as full approval. it usually takes 5-10 years to come up with safe vaccines.
The fact that this vaccine was rushed should be a concern.
The same testing was done. It was expedited because the amount of money available allowed large numbers of trial participants. Some tests that would have been done in sequence before were done side by side instead.
In order to get the emergency use authorization the companies had to demonstrate efficacy and evidence that the vaccine had less risk than the disease. That was done.
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Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant
So you would agree that the state should not force the vaccine. In my state of Massachusetts, the governor has required all children to get the flu shot. this applies to young children up to some college students. obviously, I would not like an employer forcing a shot but when the state does it is a definite no no. some parents are homeschooling their children because of this mandate.
"State public health officials today announced that influenza immunization will be required for all children 6 months of age or older who are attending Massachusetts child care, pre-school, kindergarten, K-12, and colleges and universities. The new vaccine requirement is an important step to reduce flu-related illness and ​the overall impact of respiratory illness during the COVID-19 pandemic."
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
1. first off this is not a vaccination..... it will not PREVENT you from getting the virus (like the measles vaccination), it only reduces the symptoms...like the flu shot
Evidence is accumulating that the coronavirus vaccines will reduce infection.
Flu vaccine prevents infection with the strains included in the vaccine. It is less effective because of the way the virus mutates and the difficulty that creates for designing the vaccine.
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4. J&J just said that it may require a YEARLY shot
Speculation. Have to wait for the data.
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5. Both Pfizer and Moderna have stated they have no ideahow long the coverage will be for (could be less than 9 months)
Speculation. Have to wait for the data.
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6. IF...IF the coverage is less than 9 months...and it could take a year to get everyone and initial shot (just talking USA , pop just over 330mil, and they HOPE to be able to administer close to 1mil shots a day (they are not even close to that right now))..then just how with coverage of 9 months yet initial inoculations taking a year or more , just how will we EVER reach herd immunity
If. We have to wait for the data.
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7. to the threads beginning.... I don't see how any company can make an experimental vaccination mandatory
It has emergency use authorization. The business does a risk analysis and determines what the effect of infections will be on employees and clients.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
and there is NO WAY, legally, for them to KNOW if you have had the shot or not...to demand it would violate Hipaa
Health INFORMATION PRIVACY
They can ask. You may decline to answer. They can decline to continue to employ you.
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Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant
the numbers are dramatically inflated. flu seems to have disappeared. It's because they are labeling any one with covid as a covid death. its not about the virus its about controlling the population. they are labeling people with the flu as covid.
they always reset the flu numbers every year. the propaganda now is that they will continue counting without resetting the numbers every year.
Flu is way down because it is less infectious and does not have a long pre-symptomatic phase or as many asymptomatic cases. Mitigation measures are more effective for flu than the coronavirus.
Testing can differentiate flu and coronavirus infections. Flu is not being called COVID-19.
Your last sentence does not make sense. Flu season stats will continue to be estimated the way they always have been.
The Nuremberg Code addresses consent to participate in an experiment. If you do not wish to participate no one will make you do it.
The same testing was done. It was expedited because the amount of money available allowed large numbers of trial participants. Some tests that would have been done in sequence before were done side by side instead.
In order to get the emergency use authorization the companies had to demonstrate efficacy and evidence that the vaccine had less risk than the disease. That was done.
"State public health officials today announced that influenza immunization will be required for all children 6 months of age or older who are attending Massachusetts child care, pre-school, kindergarten, K-12, and colleges and universities. The new vaccine requirement is an important step to reduce flu-related illness and ​the overall impact of respiratory illness during the COVID-19 pandemic."
Evidence is accumulating that the coronavirus vaccines will reduce infection.
Flu vaccine prevents infection with the strains included in the vaccine. It is less effective because of the way the virus mutates and the difficulty that creates for designing the vaccine.
Speculation. Have to wait for the data.
Speculation. Have to wait for the data.
If. We have to wait for the data.
It has emergency use authorization. The business does a risk analysis and determines what the effect of infections will be on employees and clients.
They can ask. You may decline to answer. They can decline to continue to employ you.
Flu is way down because it is less infectious and does not have a long pre-symptomatic phase or as many asymptomatic cases. Mitigation measures are more effective for flu than the coronavirus.
Testing can differentiate flu and coronavirus infections. Flu is not being called COVID-19.
Your last sentence does not make sense. Flu season stats will continue to be estimated the way they always have been.
"State public health officials today announced that influenza immunization will be required for all children 6 months of age or older who are attending Massachusetts child care, pre-school, kindergarten, K-12, and colleges and universities. The new vaccine requirement is an important step to reduce flu-related illness and ​the overall impact of respiratory illness during the COVID-19 pandemic."
the fact that the state can mandate it for any child without the parent's consent is wrong.
Your last sentence does not make sense. Flu season stats will continue to be estimated the way they always have been.
yes flu stats will continue to be estimated the same way the difference is that in terms of covid they do not reset the numbers. so they will not report it the same way as flu does by starting from the start of the season versus adding all the numbers up consecutive years.
so a year from now they might say 1 million died from covid. that includes deaths from last year. when flu season starts over they report only the numbers for that year.
by adding all the deaths ever from covid it makes it look worse than it is.
There's been some really interesting cases on this. Particularly local governments that forced small retail businesses to shut down while allowing large retail stores (like Walmart) to stay open. This favored large retail outlets over small businesses. I find this to be unfair treatment and in violation of business owners' rights.
Now if you go by the when the bill of rights was created, the framers did not intend for The Constitution to apply to state and local government. But things have most certainly changed since then. Particularly the fourteenth amendment which said that some parts of the bill of rights may be enforced against the state and local governments. However, it didn't indicate which rights. In 1926 a key supreme court ruling set precedent for just this. And when I say "just this", I mean Justice. That is Liberty and Justice.
So there you have it. A federal judge would have to rule that the shut down was in violation of liberty or justice. Like the initial example with small retailers and large retailers, it's straight forward in terms of justice. But statewide shutdowns and whether this violates liberty or justice is up for interpretation by federal courts. We'll have to see where this goes.
state governments have put businesses out of business with the restrictions. I was listening to judge Napolitano and he said the state can not shut down businesses because its a violation of the contract clause.
these businesses have closed and they get no monetary compensation. the state should not be able to shut down any legal business. it seems very straightforward to me.
Generally small businesses that sold essential goods were allowed to stay open. It was my general impression that it was the goods sold, not the size, of the business that was the primary guiding factor. Though I do wonder why more sellers of non essential goods didn't diversify their products and sell essential goods along with non essential goods like Walmart.
you may think I am not for business rights but I don't think any business should be forced to be shut down by the government. a business can do what they want my only exception is forced vaccines and medical treatment. This might not be a problem if only a small minority of businesses require the vaccine.
yes flu stats will continue to be estimated the same way the difference is that in terms of covid they do not reset the numbers. so they will not report it the same way as flu does by starting from the start of the season versus adding all the numbers up consecutive years.
so a year from now they might say 1 million died from covid. that includes deaths from last year. when flu season starts over they report only the numbers for that year.
by adding all the deaths ever from covid it makes it look worse than it is.
It's kinda like when we state the number of casualties in WWII or from the Spanish flu.
I've never seen WWII casualties separated by year.
I listen to a podcast where the host belongs to mensa and does not want to take the vaccine.
there are many really intelligent people who do not want to take the vaccine.
There are many intelligent people who don't want to go to work on Mondays.
They are free to act on that. Their employer may react by firing them.
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