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Old 02-20-2021, 08:29 PM
 
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Well, I am a lawyer, but I don't BS. I don't do court arguments because, well, that's not common for a Constitutional lawyer.

What's your opinion on a state government shutting down businesses like gyms and restaurants because of covid?

do you think covid restrictions for businesses are wrong? if the business can decide they should be able to have no restrictions.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:30 PM
 
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Only commercial airlines tend to have these rules. You are unlikely to run into vaccination requirements otherwise. I didn't even have to go through a TSA security checkpoint. Trust me, vaccination requirements are only going to apply to commercial airlines. Avoid them and you'll be fine.

ya I have not taken a plane in a long time so I don't know.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Houston
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the numbers are dramatically inflated. flu seems to have disappeared. It's because they are labeling any one with covid as a covid death. its not about the virus its about controlling the population. they are labeling people with the flu as covid.

they always reset the flu numbers every year. the propaganda now is that they will continue counting without resetting the numbers every year.
Since no one can come to a consensus on this why don't we let the business owner calculate the risks to his employees and clients?

Becoming more obvious all the time you're a faux Trump conservative.

You don't have the right to be employed under your terms. No rational person believes the vaccine is anywhere near as deadly as the disease itself. But that matters not one bit anyways. It's the employers right to hire and fire and set his terms of employment.

Until Trump came around it was liberals I had to explain natural law, the right of association and the rights of property to.

Socialism is the stage between capitalism and communism where property rights are denigrated. The difference between Reagan/ Goldwater Republicans and Trumpies is the former believe in the power of free markets.

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Old 02-20-2021, 08:36 PM
 
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Since no one can come to a consensus on this why don't we let the business owner calculate the risks to his employees and clients?

Becoming more obvious all the time you're a faux Trump conservative.

You don't have the right to be employed under your terms. No rational person believes the vaccine is anywhere near as deadly as the disease itself. But that matters not one bit anyways. It's the employers right to hire and fire and set his terms of employment.

Until Trump came around it was liberals I had to explain natural law, the right of association and the rights of property to.

Trump had operation warp speed. it was pushing the vaccine. I did not like that about trump and I have had many issues with trump.

my first vote for president was Rand Paul. i actually like the Florida governor more than trump because he stood up to big tech.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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There's no invasion of privacy. You can simply refuse to provide the information. I'm not sure why you liberals don't understand this.

An employer can terminate you for any reason they wish as long as it's not in relation to you being part of a protected class. The law already says that upon providing an offer, an employer can require you to get a medical exam.

I know this is hard for liberals to understand but an employer can choose how and where to spend THEIR money. Just like you can choose whether you want to buy American made clothing rather than the crap made in China, the employer can choose to hire vaccinated people rather than unvaccinated people. If you don't like it, work somewhere else. It's that simple.

Stop expecting for big government ruling on this.
Odd that you would make this statement as a number of SMBs and corporations are looking to the state/federal government to mandate vaccinations to absolve themselves of making tough decisions that may result in twitterlike backlash.

Also odd that you are probably the first person in my nearly 2100+ posts that called me a liberal.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:46 PM
 
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Since no one can come to a consensus on this why don't we let the business owner calculate the risks to his employees and clients?

Becoming more obvious all the time you're a faux Trump conservative.

You don't have the right to be employed under your terms. No rational person believes the vaccine is anywhere near as deadly as the disease itself. But that matters not one bit anyways. It's the employers right to hire and fire and set his terms of employment.

Until Trump came around it was liberals I had to explain natural law, the right of association and the rights of property to.
55 percent of new york firefighters did not want to get the vaccine.


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coro...gests/2764027/

I would rather take my chances with covid than the vaccine.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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55 percent of new york firefighters did not want to get the vaccine.


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coro...gests/2764027/

I would rather take my chances with covid than the vaccine.
You won't work for me in a position where you are caring for an elderly relative of mine.

Firefighters don't tend to be the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:52 PM
 
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What's your opinion on a state government shutting down businesses like gyms and restaurants because of covid?

do you think covid restrictions for businesses are wrong? if the business can decide they should be able to have no restrictions.
Interesting question.

There's been some really interesting cases on this. Particularly local governments that forced small retail businesses to shut down while allowing large retail stores (like Walmart) to stay open. This favored large retail outlets over small businesses. I find this to be unfair treatment and in violation of business owners' rights.

Now if you go by the when the bill of rights was created, the framers did not intend for The Constitution to apply to state and local government. But things have most certainly changed since then. Particularly the fourteenth amendment which said that some parts of the bill of rights may be enforced against the state and local governments. However, it didn't indicate which rights. In 1926 a key supreme court ruling set precedent for just this. And when I say "just this", I mean Justice. That is Liberty and Justice.

So there you have it. A federal judge would have to rule that the shut down was in violation of liberty or justice. Like the initial example with small retailers and large retailers, it's straight forward in terms of justice. But statewide shutdowns and whether this violates liberty or justice is up for interpretation by federal courts. We'll have to see where this goes.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:54 PM
 
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Trump had operation warp speed. it was pushing the vaccine. I did not like that about trump and I have had many issues with trump.

my first vote for president was Rand Paul. i actually like the Florida governor more than trump because he stood up to big tech.
The irony is that the first vaccine came from outside of operation warp speed.
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Old 02-20-2021, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The irony is that the first vaccine came from outside of operation warp speed.
The Moderna vaccine was formulated I believe in January 2020 if memory serves me well.
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