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Old 02-16-2021, 10:36 PM
 
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It wouldn't have resulted in the massive failure.

You blamed it all on the green energies and it wasn't the green energy.

It was poor planning.
you need the data.

I don't blame it all on the green energy. I need to know the data. It is because we don't know the "should working" equipments output values.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:43 PM
 
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you need the data.

I don't blame it all on the green energy. I need to know the data. It is because we don't know the "should working" equipments output values.
The data...An official with the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said Tuesday afternoon that 16 gigawatts of renewable energy generation, mostly wind generation, was offline. Nearly double that, 30 gigawatts, had been lost from thermal sources, which includes gas, coal and nuclear energy.

oops there it is.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:43 PM
 
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Most immigration into Texas was from other states. You're just ignoring the real problem that is failing infrastructure.
You're right - that's probably part of the problem as well - as power providers have not kept up with the growing population from California and other states. That's absolutely fair.

In fact - we should blame California transplants. They brought their bad energy mojo over here.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:46 PM
 
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The data...An official with the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said Tuesday afternoon that 16 gigawatts of renewable energy generation, mostly wind generation, was offline. Nearly double that, 30 gigawatts, had been lost from thermal sources, which includes gas, coal and nuclear energy.

oops there it is.
10 years ago when we had similar brownouts, only 8% of our power came from wind power.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:47 PM
 
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Most immigration into Texas was from other states. You're just ignoring the real problem that is failing infrastructure.
Yeah like illegal aliens and immigrants moving from other states like California along with regular Americans displaced by illegals and immigrants lol. I'm not the one ignoring infrastructure, just pointing out the movement of all these people is overwhelming it.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:48 PM
 
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You're right - that's probably part of the problem as well - as power providers have not kept up with the growing population from California and other states. That's absolutely fair.

In fact - we should blame California transplants. They brought their bad energy mojo over here.
Again, you're looking to blame anything and anyone other than where blame is do. 10 years ago, there were far fewer transplants from CA, but we still had brownouts. This is the failing of our neglected infrastructure. We had guidance on how to prepare for this but we didn't follow it.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:51 PM
 
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Yeah like illegal aliens and immigrants moving from other states like California along with regular Americans displaced by illegals and immigrants lol. I'm not the one ignoring infrastructure, just pointing out the movement of all these people is overwhelming it.
You do realize that power plants were shut down do to extreme weather, right? It's not that power plants are in extreme demand. We can handle the load just like we do in the summer with AC. The weather crippled our power plants due to a lack of weather proofing. You're deflecting from the real issue here.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:54 PM
 
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Again, you're looking to blame anything and anyone other than where blame is do. 10 years ago, there were far fewer transplants from CA, but we still had brownouts. This is the failing of our neglected infrastructure. We had guidance on how to prepare for this but we didn't follow it.
I agreed with your point. Why are you giving me a hard time?
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:54 PM
 
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2/3rd of the board live in Texas.
1/3 does not. Why are the on the board?

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And none of this article suggests green energy is to blame for any of it.
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ERCOT.. manages the grid used by about 90% of the state...
How does ERCOT, that manages 90% of Texas' grid, blame the outages on natural gas providers?

No electric? No furnace powered by electric for the natural gas furnace to work. No heat when its colder in the house than Pelosi's freezer where she keeps her favorite ice cream.

No electric? No gas fueled fireplace to start and keep ya'll warm b/c your electric heat doesn't work either.

No electric? Good luck with that electric hot water heater.

No electric? Hope you've got propane for your grill because your electric stove isn't going to work.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:55 PM
 
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You do realize that power plants were shut down do to extreme weather, right? It's not that power plants are in extreme demand. We can handle the load just like we do in the summer with AC. The weather crippled our power plants due to a lack of weather proofing. You're deflecting from the real issue here.

But here's the whole thing. Governor Abbott -- failing in his leadership role obviously not making sure that there were provisions made to the infrastructures for this cold weather.......is making this about the New Green Deal.

Which this has nothing to do with at all.

Traditional and new energy facilities in Texas were ill prepared. But let's talk about New Green Deal so nobody has to wonder why Governor Abbott wasn't better prepared.
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