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Old 02-18-2021, 04:53 AM
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Lets face it, regardless of the negligence with their in-state facilities had they been connected to the grid like everyone else they would be able to fill any shortfalls with electricity from adjoining areas. But they didn't want to because then they would have to operate to baseline federal standards, I guess its easier to ask for assistance from the same Federal Government..

Weren't they promoting leaving this country a few weeks ago, seems treason and hypocrisy runs deep in that state...
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:29 AM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_o...#United_States

Cheapest is clearly wind and solar. Also, not sure why you think oil and gas is any more abundant in Texas than space, sun, and wind.


Also, where is the conversation about Texas operating a grid separate from the rest of the country?
You need to do more work than just posting a link.

A grid separate from the rest of the country is an entirely different conversation. Here we are talking about the internal problems of Texas power generation.

Plus, it isn’t always windy, it is dark at night, every night , and the land mass needed for Solar is ridiculous compared to other sources. And there is that troubling fact of power density.

Hey look, I’m all for renewable driven power. But that’s for tomorrow. Not today. Not yet. Not to replace , just to supplement, with caution.
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Lets face it, regardless of the negligence with their in-state facilities had they been connected to the grid like everyone else they would be able to fill any shortfalls with electricity from adjoining areas. But they didn't want to because then they would have to operate to baseline federal standards, I guess its easier to ask for assistance from the same Federal Government..

Weren't they promoting leaving this country a few weeks ago, seems treason and hypocrisy runs deep in that state...
Again....Texas is indeed interconnected via High lines to SPP and MISO. These problems are not only in Texas but across the south
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Default Texas interconnections

No, frozen wind turbines didn't cause Texas blackouts-txas-interconnect.png
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:52 AM
 
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You need to do more work than just posting a link.

A grid separate from the rest of the country is an entirely different conversation. Here we are talking about the internal problems of Texas power generation.

Plus, it isn’t always windy, it is dark at night, every night , and the land mass needed for Solar is ridiculous compared to other sources. And there is that troubling fact of power density.

Hey look, I’m all for renewable driven power. But that’s for tomorrow. Not today. Not yet. Not to replace , just to supplement, with caution.
If Texas was connected to the rest of the country, the rest of the country could supply power to Texas. It is always windy somewhere - intermittency is more of a distribution problem with wind, especially noting the price differential with other generation sources.
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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I don't think anyone has said the wind turbines have caused the power issues. They were supposed to be the back up system. Womp.. womp...

People don't hate renewables just to hate renewables.

They are being forced on people either by government fiat, or peer pressure from rabid liberals.

If they actually worked and provided a stable source of energy, you wouldn't have to force them upon anyone.

And then there's the whole Obama green energy fiasco where his friends got a bunch of government money only to end up bankrupt, and I don't believe they ever had to pay back anything... see Solyndra.

Also - climate change is a hoax. So when people tie renewable energy to manmade global warming & climate change... let's just say that it isn't a resume' enhancement. They would do better selling it as an alternative energy source and making it a better product.

Climate change is real but we had nothing to do with it and can't do anything about it. Been going on for all long as the planet has existed.
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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And as social media is sharing more --- the impact of the power loss is devastating. It is horrific. And Abbot went on Hannity to make excuses, attack the New Green Deal. That does nothing for his constituents who are freezing and without power.
Im not pro-New Green Deal but its really stupid to blame something that doesnt even exist for problems were having right now.
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:55 AM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_o...#United_States

Cheapest is clearly wind and solar. Also, not sure why you think oil and gas is any more abundant in Texas than space, sun, and wind.


Also, where is the conversation about Texas operating a grid separate from the rest of the country?
I keep hearing this , but the results in other countries seem to be a different story.

Ontario's cost has increased.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blog...ntario-problem


Germany's cost has increased.
https://energycentral.com/c/ec/germa...than%20Germany.
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Old 02-18-2021, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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If Texas was connected to the rest of the country, the rest of the country could supply power to Texas. It is always windy somewhere - intermittency is more of a distribution problem with wind, especially noting the price differential with other generation sources.
ok. Lets assume you are correct . It's always windy some place. How do you get 60hz from Minnesota to Texas. Because that's the magic number, 60 hertz. Dip below that and the grid collapses. Remember your wind towers don't make AMPS just some VOLTS
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Old 02-18-2021, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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I keep hearing this , but the results in other countries seem to be a different story.

Ontario's cost has increased.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blog...ntario-problem


Germany's cost has increased.
https://energycentral.com/c/ec/germa...than%20Germany.
I'm beginning to think it's a hopeless endeavor to make people understand how electricity works. People will scream It's Science all day long when discussing the Climate but they refuse to try to accept an older science when to come to electricity....It is just some magic that comes from the wall.................
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