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I watched as much of the video as I could stomach.
Chauvin's hands in his pockets while Floyd died is an image not easy to forget.
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
If so, why was he alive and moving around fine until a cop started crushing his neck? You actually expect people to believe the cop had nothing to do with his death? Do you sell bridges over the Hudson to people as a profession?
If anyone "killed" him it would have been the cop on his back/lungs/heart.
How so many people can't understand this is beyond me. Lemmings are gonna lemming, I guess...
Yes, it really does. The cause of death was a heart attack, when you factor in the fatal dose of Fentanyl he ingested along with the meth in his system and him struggling on the ground, that's pretty much how you can ensure a heart attack happens.
He was feeling like he couldn't breathe long before he was on the ground, he felt that way because that's how you feel when you are having a heart attack.
In short, I think there could be some kind of charge against the officer, but George Floyd is not dead BECUASE of anything the officer did.
No, it really doesn't. You are ignoring part of the medical examiner's statement, a pertinent part of the medical examiner's statement. And you are doing so because it directly contradicts the narrative you are trying to spin. Dishonest much?
George Floyd is dead because of what Chauvin failed to do, and had an obligation to do. Once someone is in police custody (and please don't resort to the rigmarole that he wasn't in police custody, because handcuffed and restrained is certainly in custody) the police have an obligation to look out for that person's well-being. They didn't do that. And Chauvin asserted his authority in the police not doing that. Refusing to address Floyd's distress, refusing to change his posture, refusing to move even though Floyd no longer had a pulse.
No, it really doesn't. You are ignoring part of the medical examiner's statement, a pertinent part of the medical examiner's statement. And you are doing so because it directly contradicts the narrative you are trying to spin. Dishonest much?
George Floyd is dead because of what Chauvin failed to do, and had an obligation to do. Once someone is in police custody (and please don't resort to the rigmarole that he wasn't in police custody, because handcuffed and restrained is certainly in custody) the police have an obligation to look out for that person's well-being. They didn't do that. And Chauvin asserted his authority in the police not doing that. Refusing to address Floyd's distress, refusing to change his posture, refusing to move even though Floyd no longer had a pulse.
Ask him why he keeps saying what the cops did was wrong.
What might have Chauvin been thinking he was doing? which is more likely
a) He thought he was just pining him down. He didn't realize Floyd was actually dead for a couple of minutes toward the end. He thought with the three of him on his back he had just given up and thought Floyd was just in the process of making up his mind to agree to stop resisting and tell them.
b) He thought eventually Floyd would pass out but not die. He didn't realize not only did he pass out, he had died.
c) He knew George Floyd, they both worked at a club and didn't like him. He didn't like the resistance either. The crowd was pissing him off too.
He felt powerful because they had finally pinned him down and it felt good on a primal level. After the first 5 minutes Floyd had stopped resisting or talking and he became very satisfied by that, intoxicated by it. He lost track of time. He didn't know if Floyd was knocked out or dead and he didn't care, a strange peaceful feeling had come over him. He never felt so satisfied and in control in his life. And none those people yelling at him could do anything about it. If Floyd died so what, knee restraints were allowed in the manual. He wasn't thinking about that so much, He was just sort of in a zone.
A. Except another police officer told him Floyd didn't have a pulse, and Chauvin told the other officers to keep their positions while Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck, for three more minutes.
I don't think Chauvin's actions had anything to do with knowing Floyd from the nightclub, or that Floyd was black. I think Chauvin has a need for control, being a police officer gives him the authority to exert control, and his history with complaints seems to revolve around control issues. Floyd's resistance to being placed in the police cruiser triggered Chauvin's need for control. Chauvin is the one who got Floyd on the ground, and then Floyd's pleas that he couldn't breathe, that he was dying, were an affirmation of Chauvin's control. Even when Floyd went silent, that still affirmed that Chauvin was in charge. I think that's why the EMT had to ask Chauvin to get off Floyd. Because as soon as Floyd resisted, it became a contest between Floyd and Chauvin of who was in charge. And Chauvin doesn't lose those contests.
It is argued that, because some people have survived with a fentanyl level higher than Floyd’s, therefore it can’t be proved that he would have died anyway, even without Chauvin’s knee. But it seems harsh and unfair that Chauvin could be convicted and spend years in jail because of the small possibility that Floyd would have survived had it not been for that knee.
The question arises: why did those other people survive? In particular, did they also have the level of methamphetamine that Floyd had? Did they also have his severe heart disease? Did they also have severely narrowed heart arteries? Did they also have an enlarged heart? Had they also had Covid-19? Had they also used marijuana? Had they also just had strenuous physical activity (not limited to a struggle with the police)? Had they also just been arrested? Were they also overweight? Were they also middle-aged? Were they also smokers? (Anything else I’ve missed?)
The defense showed pictures, the cop`s knee was on his shoulder blade, not on his neck
What I understand is the police camera showed the cop`s knee was on his shoulder blade, not on his neck, it was just another view of the witnesses different angle was on his neck .
As I explained in my previous message, keep in mind that he did move his knee at times. However, have you seen the entire video the individual took from the other angle? Don't watch an edited video though.
Mr. Floyd was not example of citizenship. And that can influence people on trying to excuse the officer. The point is that the officer has to treat an arrested individual having in mind not to kill him. The officers facial expression showed no emotions that showed any care whatsoever.
However, if you have an agenda of trying to show the officer did not do wrong, a video will still not convince you still.
Here is the link to the video I saw from another angle. If you do not see it as wrong, there is nothing else I can say. You see a warning before you can see the video. All you have to do is agree to see it and are of age to do so.
Except that in the time frame we're looking at, any drugs he ingested orally would not have had time to enter his system in time for his death. He was dead 16 minutes after the police showed up, so if he had not yet swallowed it until after police arrived, he would have had less than 16 minutes to absorb the drug into his system.
That's approximately how much time it would take, plus we're not just talking about him only taking Fentanyl here, he took that while high on meth. Strong stimulants and strong depressants put a real toll on the heart....in his case, he had a heart that had a 90% blockage in an artery.....and he died of cardiopulmonary arrest.
After oral administration of a drug, absorption into the bloodstream occurs in the stomach and intestine, which usually takes about one to six hours.
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Look at all the back and forth at this point. The best part is the defense has not even put on their side of the case. As I said before this will come down to manslaughter. Can the jury decide the case based on the merits. Or will they cave because they are scared. I think a hung jury is in the cards. Lets see. When the defense finally puts it's side on the case will go sideways very quickly.
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