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Old 12-26-2021, 06:20 AM
 
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What in the world does opposing abortion have to do with not wanting to support other people's children? One has nothing to do with the other.

 
Old 12-26-2021, 06:31 AM
 
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What in the world does opposing abortion have to do with not wanting to support other people's children? One has nothing to do with the other.
Of course it doesn't. But it's all they have when called on to explain their gruesome support of deliberately killing others.
 
Old 12-26-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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What in the world does opposing abortion have to do with not wanting to support other people's children? One has nothing to do with the other.
It's the cognitive dissonance of the two positions. If you are oppose abortion but don't care about the child that means you care more about the fetus than someone who is actually living. It means you are anti- abortion but not pro-life.

A true pro-life person will also care about the living child. For unwanted children have poorer outcomes. If you do not care about the living child, that means you are okay with the increased crime rates which will come and the poverty they will live in.
 
Old 12-26-2021, 08:05 AM
 
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It's the cognitive dissonance of the two positions. If you are oppose abortion but don't care about the child that means you care more about the fetus than someone who is actually living. It means you are anti- abortion but not pro-life.

A true pro-life person will also care about the living child. For unwanted children have poorer outcomes. If you do not care about the living child, that means you are okay with the increased crime rates which will come and the poverty they will live in.
It's not about not caring about children it's about it not being my responsibility to support them. That's their parent's responsibility! And no, it's not a conflict with being pro-life. Children born have a life! Aborted children never will have!
 
Old 12-26-2021, 08:14 AM
 
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It's not about not caring about children it's about it not being my responsibility to support them. That's their parent's responsibility! And no, it's not a conflict with being pro-life. Children born have a life! Aborted children never will have!
From a society viewpoint, it is our responsibility. The unwanted will cost us a lot. On average, these people are born significantly disadvantage and more than likely will not succeed. They will probably be a burden to society. The parents of the unwanted don't want the responsibility and no one can force them to care.
 
Old 12-26-2021, 08:29 AM
 
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It's not about not caring about children it's about it not being my responsibility to support them. That's their parent's responsibility! And no, it's not a conflict with being pro-life. Children born have a life! Aborted children never will have!
If you are going to force poor women to give birth rather than abort, there will be more babies born.

With me so far?

The poor mother with an extra kid cannot take care of herself and the kid. She cannot afford childcare, and thus cannot work.

The poor mother with extra kid applies for SNAP and any other federal "welfare" programs she can find.

Multiply one woman's situation by thousands or tens of thousands per year because in your world, abortions are no longer available.

How many extra kids is that who need "welfare?"

But YOU do not want to help any of these extra kids because you say it is not your responsibility.

You keep forgetting how many of these parents are not capable of supporting these extra children. It has nothing go do with whether or not they are responsible parents. The reality is they are not capable of earning a living to take care of themselves and baby.

And you keep saying it is not your responsibility to help care for all these extra children you want to force women to bring into the world. Cognitive dissonance.
 
Old 12-26-2021, 08:35 AM
 
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If you are going to force poor women to give birth rather than abort, there will be more babies born.
No one is forced to bear children. There are 4,000+ taxpayer-funded Title X Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US that provide FREE birth control to anyone who needs it.
 
Old 12-26-2021, 08:38 AM
 
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Sounds like the real problem is people that cannot control their sexual desires...


if two people cannot make ends meet, what business do they have in possibly creating a new life?


I hear lots of people saying that women should be able to make up their own minds...but looking at how many babies are killed and how many unwanted children there are...it appears that women cannot be responsible with this!
 
Old 12-26-2021, 08:44 AM
 
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Sounds like the real problem is people that cannot control their sexual desires...

if two people cannot make ends meet, what business do they have in possibly creating a new life?

I hear lots of people saying that women should be able to make up their own minds...but looking at how many babies are killed and how many unwanted children there are...it appears that women cannot be responsible with this!
Interesting point.
 
Old 12-26-2021, 09:13 AM
 
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From a society viewpoint, it is our responsibility. The unwanted will cost us a lot. On average, these people are born significantly disadvantage and more than likely will not succeed. They will probably be a burden to society. The parents of the unwanted don't want the responsibility and no one can force them to care.
Then in walks Roe v Wade (1973) with the face of the case being Roe --- and that solves that issue. Poor women should not procreate, because in society's pov, those children will never amount to much and will become a burden to the State. And in India, they're following suit. It doesn't matter if it is true or not; it only matters to what people will believe.
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