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Old 12-23-2021, 08:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Most women who got an abortion didn't use birth control at all though. No, forgetting the pill is being irresponsible.

If you don't think that prison discourages crime then I don't know what to tell you.
The US has more people in prison than any other country. I would say that prison isn't much of a deterrent.

 
Old 12-23-2021, 08:26 PM
 
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Killing an unborn child is illegal, too: fetal homicide laws.

How to hold killers responsible? Send them to prison for killing another human life.
Fetal homicide laws have an exception for abortion. And no, that does not create an equal protection issue, since no court has ever held that it does.
 
Old 12-23-2021, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The doctors who kill the unborn? Yes. Fathers? Not unless they are the ones choosing to kill the unborn child.

Sentence? Murder one (the intentional killing of another) is typically 30 years or more.
So, InformedConsent, we now know you, no doubt, don't give a damn if the woman who got an abortion is sentenced to 30 years to prison even though she may have like four little kids at home who will miss their mother as they grow up. How incredibly wrong and immoral to do that to her kids. Seriously and really, InformedConsent, you really need to wake up and realize how incredibly wrong and immoral you really are for wanting to put women in prison who get abortions. And I suspect that newtovenice most certainly needs to wake up and realize the very same thing. Seriously and really, it just absolutely makes me sick to my stomach just how wrong and immoral some people can be.
 
Old 12-24-2021, 05:30 AM
 
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The point being a good percentage of women were on some type of birth control when they got pregnant.
For unintended pregnancies? No. Most (54%) were not. And another 41% were using birth control incorrectly or inconsistently, such as not taking one or more daily pills during a cycle. 95% of all unintended pregnancies are self-inflicted. Having to live with the consequences of one's own deliberate actions is a natural human occurrence. Happens every day.
 
Old 12-24-2021, 05:32 AM
 
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How do fetal homicide laws equate to killing a 6 year old? They don't.
A human death = a human death.

What confuses you about that? Or do you believe some human lives have more value than others?
 
Old 12-24-2021, 05:35 AM
 
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Fetal homicide laws have an exception for abortion. And no, that does not create an equal protection issue, since no court has ever held that it does.
Yet... Yes, it does violate the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause because only some but not others are allowed to kill a human life. Either anyone can kill an unborn child, or no one can. Just like in self-defense laws, either anyone can kill in self-defense, or no one can. In self-defense laws, anyone can.
 
Old 12-24-2021, 05:38 AM
 
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So, InformedConsent, we now know you, no doubt, don't give a damn if the woman who got an abortion is sentenced to 30 years to prison even though she may have like four little kids at home who will miss their mother as they grow up. How incredibly wrong and immoral to do that to her kids.
Let's say it was their father who was convicted of murder, instead. He's taken away from his kids for 30 years. That happens and no one bats an eye. There is no difference. Commit the crime = do the time.
 
Old 12-24-2021, 06:28 AM
 
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So, InformedConsent, we now know you, no doubt, don't give a damn if the woman who got an abortion is sentenced to 30 years to prison even though she may have like four little kids at home who will miss their mother as they grow up. How incredibly wrong and immoral to do that to her kids. Seriously and really, InformedConsent, you really need to wake up and realize how incredibly wrong and immoral you really are for wanting to put women in prison who get abortions. And I suspect that newtovenice most certainly needs to wake up and realize the very same thing. Seriously and really, it just absolutely makes me sick to my stomach just how wrong and immoral some people can be.
YOU are now assigning a 30-year prison term?

Wow, quite vengeful, aren't you. First the charge, then the arrest, then the conviction and now you've decided 30 years in prison. Huh.

Keep posting, as you might get some traction for that idea as well. Maybe next post go for the death penalty, quote the eye for an eye stuff from the Bible. Yeah, do that. Maybe tack on accessories to the crime, too. There's no limit to what you can do!!! Go SWT!!!!!

Good grief.

Exit from all abortion threads from CD.
 
Old 12-24-2021, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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A human death = a human death.

What confuses you about that? Or do you believe some human lives have more value than others?
Yes. A living 6 year old child has more value than a 6 week old clump of cells that may get flushed out of the womb by miscarriage or abortion.
 
Old 12-24-2021, 09:30 AM
 
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Yet... Yes, it does violate the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause because only some but not others are allowed to kill a human life. Either anyone can kill an unborn child, or no one can. Just like in self-defense laws, either anyone can kill in self-defense, or no one can. In self-defense laws, anyone can.
Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. Self defense is an exception to murder laws, abortion is an exception to fetal homicide laws.
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