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Old 12-11-2021, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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No one said it was. It's presented as a way to reduce abortion by about 95%. AND it's a way for women to control their own reproductive health and childbearing options, financial situation, education and career opportunities, etc., without having to resort to killing a human life.
You should be able to understand that your point related to abortion in bold will never be true for the nation until a constitutional amendment is passed that defines that life begins at conception and with all human rights.

 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:28 AM
 
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Women know very well how to control their own reproduction.

Next cut and paste? Lets get them out of the way.
Well, apparently they do not...(considering the number of women that seek out abortions!)
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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No, they're not. Failing to control one's own reproductive health isn't a valid reason to kill another human. It's beyond depraved. It's barbaric.

The decision of whether to be pregnant or not happens when a male/female couple has sex either with or without using birth control. That's when the choice is made. You and others want them, even though having already made that choice for themselves, to be able to change their minds after the fact and achieve that result by deliberately killing another human. That's barbaric.
Every word, subjective. The woman of the world live their lives according to their values not yours.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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2/3 of that 32,000 are suicides, not killing another human.

For the millionth time, fetal homicide laws have already established the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life.
For the millionth time, you are completely incorrect with your bad interpretation of what precedent means, and conveniently forget, yet again, that all fetal homicide laws have exceptions for abortions.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:33 AM
 
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The 9th has nothing to do with states' Constitutional rights.
States do not have constitutional rights, they have powers. There's a difference. The 9th tells us that the fact a right is not enumerated doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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Well, apparently they do not...(considering the number of women that seek out abortions!)
We can and do control our reproduction. It’s called choice. We have 3. Birth, abortion, adoption.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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No, they're not. Failing to control one's own reproductive health isn't a valid reason to kill another human. It's beyond depraved. It's barbaric.

The decision of whether to be pregnant or not happens when a male/female couple has sex either with or without using birth control. That's when the choice is made. You and others want them, even though having already made that choice for themselves, to be able to change their minds after the fact and achieve that result by deliberately killing another human. That's barbaric.
Since you want abortion banned, not regulated, how would you regulate the sex lives of people, especially those who want to indulge in sexual intercourse but don't want to have a baby?
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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No one said anyone or the state was going to mandate the use of birth control. The point is that if women and/or men actually used it, there would be no need for 700,000 abortions each year.

95% of all unintended pregnancies are the result of failure to use birth control (54%), or the use of such incorrectly/inconsistently(41%).

There's no excuse for that given the fact that various birth control meds/devices are available for free at our country's 4,000+ taxpayer-funded Title X Family Planning Clinics located nationwide.
Once again, you forget that there are millions of women who do not have a Title X clinic within 300 miles of where they live.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Then, no doubt, you quite passionately support the constitutional amendment that says that life begins at conception as well as all human rights.
That's not needed. Fetal homicide laws are already in place setting the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:41 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The fact is that the Republicans do not care about born children. The most common theme I hear from them after hearing an example of a woman who is struggling to get by after the birth of a child is "She should have exercised personal responsibility and not gotten pregnant. She needs to suffer because of her lack of personal responsibility". Of course these same self righteous pricks will take their 16 year old daughter to another state to get an abortion if she gets pregnant.
How very odd that you believe that a baby is "punishment' and those who create such a life are "punished" with caring for it.
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