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Old 12-11-2021, 10:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
Yes women can walk away from a pregnancy just like a man.
Men can't just walk away. Fathers are routinely saddled, legally with 18+ years of child support payments.

 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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Men can't just walk away. Fathers are routinely saddled, legally with 18+ years of child support payments.
That’s the law and it doesn’t stop millions of men from walking away and never paying child support. It’s quite common.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:20 AM
 
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What if she was raped? Should she have to carry the baby to term at the risk of her life if she was raped?
Abortions due to rape are only 0.3% of all abortions. Less than 1/2 of 1%, and nearly all states make an exception for rape, even if their so-called trigger laws are ever implemented.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:25 AM
 
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Men can't just walk away. Fathers are routinely saddled, legally with 18+ years of child support payments.
This is true. I have mixed feelings on this. I have known cases where the mother wants the child and the father doesn't. Personally, I think there should be a mechanism in the law for an unwilling father to get out of supporting the child. If we're going to give a woman the right to kill the baby, we should at least be willing to give men the right to walk away.

That being said, any guy that doesn't enthusiastically support their own child is garbage in my opinion.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:32 AM
 
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Silly, silly! Don't you know that g0d doesn't WANT you to have sex without babies! /s

THAT'S what this is ALL about....those evil, sexy, slooty women...they actually ENJOY sex...just like the men.
Why can't they enjoy sex WHILE using birth control? 95% of all unintended pregnancies are are due to either the failure to use any birth control at all (54%), or the incorrect/inconsistent use of such (41%).

Easy way for women to determine their own destiny? Use birth control correctly each and every time. There are more than 4,000 taxpayer-funded Title X Family Planning Clinics that provide free birth control meds and devices to those who need it located throughout the country. There are only about 800 abortion clinics. And the abortions they provide aren't free. Taxpayers don't pay for them (Hyde Amendment). That cost is loaded onto the poor.

So... they can either get the free and much more easily accessible birth control and use it correctly each and every time, or they can try to access the FAR less numerous abortion clinics and try to find a way to pay for their abortion.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:32 AM
 
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This is true. I have mixed feelings on this. I have known cases where the mother wants the child and the father doesn't. Personally, I think there should be a mechanism in the law for an unwilling father to get out of supporting the child. If we're going to give a woman the right to kill the baby, we should at least be willing to give men the right to walk away.

That being said, any guy that doesn't enthusiastically support their own child is garbage in my opinion.
No state is ever going to allow men to walk away from child support because then if the mother can't support the child the state will have to.

Even in backwaters like MS and TX I imagine people don't want to be stepping over starving infants and children while they are out and about.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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Abortions due to rape are only 0.3% of all abortions. Less than 1/2 of 1%, and nearly all states make an exception for rape, even if their so-called trigger laws are ever implemented.
The number is irrelevant to an essential liberty.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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Then why have abortion ban supporters been trying to get a right to life constitutional amendment passed for years? It would be far more effective for them than getting Roe vs Wade overturned.
Some have. Some haven't. It's not necessary. Fetal homicide laws already set the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:36 AM
 
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Wrong. You fail US Constitution 101.
I am not wrong.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 10:40 AM
 
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Why can't they enjoy sex WHILE using birth control? 95% of all unintended pregnancies are are due to either the failure to use any birth control at all (54%), or the incorrect/inconsistent use of such (41%).

Easy way for women to determine their own destiny? Use birth control correctly each and every time. There are more than 4,000 taxpayer-funded Title X Family Planning Clinics that provide free birth control meds and devices to those who need it located throughout the country. There are only about 800 abortion clinics. And the abortions they provide aren't free. Taxpayers don't pay for them (Hyde Amendment). That cost is loaded onto the poor.

So... they can either get the free and much more easily accessible birth control and use it correctly each and every time, or they can try to access the FAR less numerous abortion clinics and try to find a way to pay for their abortion.
Finally, you see the light.

They have a choice which I might add is none of your concern.
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