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Old 12-11-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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For the millionth time, you are completely incorrect with your bad interpretation of what precedent means, and conveniently forget, yet again, that all fetal homicide laws have exceptions for abortions.
Have people been convicted of and sent to prison for committing fetal homicide? Yes. That sets the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life.

 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I also wonder how do you make a woman stay pregnant. Women don’t show their pregnancy for a long time. Do we pregnancy test weekly all females between 14 and 50? If positive put them in supervised housing so they don’t try to abort themselves. So many details to work out.
Related to this for the states that ban abortion, if Roe is overturned, is how they will treat miscarriages. Will someone who miscarries somehow have to prove that is what happened? One also hopes that miscarriages won't be criminalized like child neglect is on the theory the woman should have better cared for the fetus to minimize risk of miscarriage.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:51 AM
 
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Yes. She doesn't have to have an abortion. A lot of women have high-risk pregnancies and don't abort.
What if she was raped? Should she have to carry the baby to term at the risk of her life if she was raped?
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:55 AM
 
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States do not have constitutional rights, they have powers. There's a difference. The 9th tells us that the fact a right is not enumerated doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
States' Constitutional Rights are the powers bestowed upon them by the Constitution's Article 1 Section 8 and the 10th Amendment. While 9th Amendment Individual Rights may exist, Article 1 Section 8 and the 10th Amendment grants the power to regulate such to each of the states unless specifically otherwise granted to the federal government. US Constitution 101.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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Since you want abortion banned, not regulated, how would you regulate the sex lives of people, especially those who want to indulge in sexual intercourse but don't want to have a baby?
Silly, silly! Don't you know that g0d doesn't WANT you to have sex without babies! /s

THAT'S what this is ALL about....those evil, sexy, slooty women...they actually ENJOY sex...just like the men.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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False. Fetal homicide laws have already set the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life. That's why the pro-abortion contingent opposed them. They knew the legal precedent consequences of such laws.
Wrong. They knew that there is no low to which so called pro-lifers will not go.

They knew that people like you would use the agonizing grief experienced by people like Laci/Conner Petersons family and twist it to use it for your own purposes.

If that's not depraved, nothing is.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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Ok. Then pay for everything that comes out of your private parts yourself. Including your kids.

No more taxpayer funded abortions. No more child tax credits. No more free public school. No more financial aid for college. None of that.
Right... because as Americans we should only invest in our old people. That's brilliant!

P.S. Abortion is one way to actually save money on all those other things you seem to dislike...
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:57 AM
 
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What if she was raped? Should she have to carry the baby to term at the risk of her life if she was raped?
I'm pretty sure that if those were the only abortions happening, there wouldn't be a debate. But you knew that.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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That's not needed. Fetal homicide laws are already in place setting the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life.
Then why have abortion ban supporters been trying to get a right to life constitutional amendment passed for years? It would be far more effective for them than getting Roe vs Wade overturned.
 
Old 12-11-2021, 09:58 AM
 
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Since you want abortion banned, not regulated, how would you regulate the sex lives of people, especially those who want to indulge in sexual intercourse but don't want to have a baby?
I've never advocated anything other than having each state regulate abortion, as is their Constitutional Right via the Constitution's Article 1 Section 8 and the 10th Amendment.

Again, if states can restrict 2nd Amendment Rights, and they do (even red states do), they can also restrict any perceived right to abortion.
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