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Old 08-21-2021, 11:46 AM
 
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Sarasota County, a solid red county that Desantis loves to show his face in, has voted to mandate masks in schools. So much for that liberal agenda?

Shouldn't come as a surprise though, considering most Floridians, on all sides of the aisle, support this.
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Old 08-21-2021, 11:49 AM
 
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Sarasota County, a solid red county that Desantis loves to show his face in, has voted to mandate masks in schools. So much for that liberal agenda?

Shouldn't come as a surprise though, considering most Floridians, on all sides of the aisle, support this.

I think Texas Supreme Court saying that Abbot can't enforce no mask mandates for schools will help other school boards to step in and ignore their Governors.
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Old 08-21-2021, 11:52 AM
 
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I think Texas Supreme Court saying that Abbot can't enforce no mask mandates for schools will help other school boards to step in and ignore their Governors.
Lets hope not. Parents should be the only people making the decision.
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Old 08-21-2021, 11:56 AM
 
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Sarasota County, a solid red county that Desantis loves to show his face in, has voted to mandate masks in schools. So much for that liberal agenda?

Shouldn't come as a surprise though, considering most Floridians, on all sides of the aisle, support this.
So it's about politics for you? or about parents rights to decide what's best for their children?
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Old 08-21-2021, 11:58 AM
 
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I think Texas Supreme Court saying that Abbot can't enforce no mask mandates for schools will help other school boards to step in and ignore their Governors.
Good. The politicization of this is beyond nauseating at this point. And its not just about the kiddos. What about the teachers, staff - janitors, lunch ladies, bus drivers etc - and the administrators? We need to protect everyone.

Kids dont understand culture wars, but they'll listen to adults. I think there's more than can be done to keep the kids and schools safe outside of masks, but its good that at least some places are having rational discussions now regardless of who they vote for.
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Old 08-21-2021, 12:02 PM
 
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Good. The politicization of this is beyond nauseating at this point. And its not just about the kiddos. What about the teachers, staff - janitors, lunch ladies, bus drivers etc - and the administrators? We need to protect everyone.

Kids dont understand culture wars, but they'll listen to adults. I think there's more than can be done to keep the kids and schools safe outside of masks, but its good that at least some places are having rational discussions now regardless of who they vote for.
But you arent protecting everyone and attempts to do so have negative consequences.
And Id say anyone who feels this way at a minimum has a media induced anxiety disorder and shouldnt be let anywhere near children.
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Old 08-21-2021, 12:14 PM
 
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Good. The politicization of this is beyond nauseating at this point. And its not just about the kiddos. What about the teachers, staff - janitors, lunch ladies, bus drivers etc - and the administrators? We need to protect everyone.
No we don't. At this point, it's on the individual to take the measures necessary to protect themselves and their minor dependents. It has always been this way. There is no requirement or expectation on the individual to protect anyone else. The jurisprudence is clear on this - you are not required to take active measures to protect others or rescue others. End of Discussion. In a free country, it can't be any other way.

Further, what stops those adults from, well, being adults, and protecting themselves, you know, voluntarily? There's no reason teachers can't teach in a sealed spacesuit if they want. It's not like any governor banned masking in general, only mandatory masking.

The COVID fear porn(TM) hysteria needs to stop. Enough is enough. This virus has a 99.9+% chance of survival and marginally lower chance of survival without symptoms without vaccination. With vaccination, even greater. For children, greater than 99.999% chance of survival and rising, and probably even higher in the near future with vaccines and treatments available to them. I'd say someone who is incapable of rationally assessing those risks and act accordingly should not be working in education.

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Old 08-21-2021, 12:17 PM
 
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But you arent protecting everyone and attempts to do so have negative consequences.
And Id say anyone who feels this way at a minimum has a media induced anxiety disorder and shouldnt be let anywhere near children.
ok
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Old 08-21-2021, 12:18 PM
 
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No we don't. At this point, it's on the individual to take the measures necessary to protect themselves. It has always been this way. There is no requirement or expectation on the individual to protect anyone else. The jurisprudence is clear on this - you are not required to take active measures to protect others or rescue others. End of Discussion. In a free country, it can't be any other way.

Further, what stops those adults from, well, being adults, and protecting themselves, you know, voluntarily? There's no reason teachers can't teach in a sealed spacesuit if they want. It's not like any governor banned masking in general, only mandatory masking.

The COVID fear porn(TM) hysteria needs to stop. Enough is enough. This virus has a 99.9+% chance of survival and marginally lower chance of survival without symptoms without vaccination. With vaccination, even greater. For children, greater than 99.999% chance of survival and rising, and probably even higher in the near future with vaccines and treatments available to them. I'd say someone who is incapable of rationally assessing those risks and act accordingly should not be working in education.
look above.
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Old 08-21-2021, 12:31 PM
 
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So it's about politics for you? or about parents rights to decide what's best for their children?
Ah masks are MOST effective when they reduce the amount of virus in the air by screening it out from potential carriers. Everyone is an potential carrier when a disease like COVID has a long incubation period. Parents are NOT experts in public health and public health helps everyone stay healthy. There is a reason why vaccines are mandatory in schools. It isn't just because they protect your child, but they help protect EVERYONE.

It is very simple. Masks like the ones doctors use when operating on patients and distance are the tools we have to use at moment for schools. Vaccines when they become available next.
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