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What do they agree on? Do they all agree that global warming is caused by man? You can keep repeating over and over again the same thing and cite various sites that also say the same thing, but you’re not answering the question. What exactly do they agree on? Do 97% of these scientists agree that the cause of climate change is created by man? How much of climate change created by man? All of it? Some of it? A little of it? Does 87% agree we should stop burning fossil fuels? It’s more likely you have no idea where that 97% number comes from. Let’s say 97% of climatologists agree that there is a global warming trend and they believe humans are the main cause, you only need to be over 50% for humans to be the main cause, but the study doesn’t say how much of a cause humans are. When this study came out the global temperature rose by .8 degrees over the last 150 years and has been no raise of temperature for the previous 15 years when this study came out. 97% do not agree we need to stop burning fossil fuels. And what these 97% do agree on doesn’t even make them right? There is no evidence that man is the cause of global warming or climate change for the fact that the climate has been changing way before man ever existed.
What the 97% of climate scientists allegedly agree on is very mild and in no way justifies restricting the energy that billions need.
To get to this 97%, these climatologists reviewed numerous scholarly papers. They are then classified by how many agree with a certain position. One of the main papers behind the 97% claim was authored by John Cook.
Here is Cook’s summary of his paper: “Cook et al. (2013) found that over 97 percent [of papers he surveyed] endorsed the view that the Earth is warming up and human emissions of greenhouse gases are the main cause.”
This is a fairly clear statement—97 percent of the papers surveyed endorsed the view that man-made greenhouse gases were the main cause—main in common usage meaning more than 50 percent.
But even a quick scan of the paper reveals that this is not the case. Cook is able to demonstrate only that a relative handful endorse “the view that the Earth is warming up and human emissions of greenhouse gases are the main cause.” Cook calls this “explicit endorsement with quantification” (quantification meaning 50 percent or more). The problem is, only a small percentage of the papers fall into this category; Cook does not say what percentage, but when the study was publicly challenged by economist David Friedman, one observer calculated that only 1.6 percent explicitly stated that man-made greenhouse gases caused at least 50 percent of global warming.
Yes the earth has warmed and cooled over thousands and millions of years, no one is questioning that. The point is a 1 deg C increase in 100 years, all the science points to increased greenhouse gases. Never heard another credible theory yet other than the research on greenhouse gases. If you have a study claiming the temperature increase is something else put it up.
Misread your post on CO2 being a pollutant.
What science points to increased greenhouse gases? What is the greenhouse gas that is increasing causing the planet to warm? Is the greenhouse gas caused by humans? Even if it is proven that man caused the planet to increase its temperature by 2 degrees, is that cause for alarm? Has the temperature of the planet increased more than that? If so, the planet is still here flourishing with life. What is the remedy?
The point is, you do not know. You’re not a climatologist.
So the figure in this article is proof that humans are the causes to affecting the carbon cycle which is causing the planet to warm? Ha! I’m sorry, but that’s just a guess. It’s not proven.
We are at 1.1 Deg C (2 Deg F) and going to 1.5 degrees even with radical sudden changes in consumption but we really need to change our habits rapidly.
As i kept typing to you guys my so called snow ball effect is taking place now with a faster and faster ramp up in heating that gets faster over time. I expect a 4.55 degree rise out past 70 years as life starts to die off at a crazy rate nate. WE can't change anything to stop what is to come with a normal warming cycle.
I can beam every man and car off the planet and it won't stop the insane heating.
Homo Sapiens have been on Earth for ~300,000 years.
Civilization, as we know it, has been around for 6,000 years.
Usable weather records have been around for just 140 years.
We know we've had multiple ice ages, & warming periods.
If you want to base public policy on data that is a blink in time, & on the chance that humans are changing climate, go for it, but I'm following science, & there's inadequate data to conclude anything right now.
Maybe, in the year 3120, we'll have adequate historical weather data to draw a hypothesis upon.
Claims of human-caused climate changed equate to predicting a newborn baby who is 1 week old, will someday become the President if the USA, or an Olympic Gold Medal winner...it's that zany from a historical timeline perspective.
The Earth cooled and warmed without CO2 changing, so what makes you think CO2 didn't cause it then but is causing it now?
Warming doesn't always follow CO2 increases perfectly but there is correlation.
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Despite "rising averages", peak / record temperatures have not been exceeded.
IIRC, 134F is still the record.
Seriously, if the planet was HEATING UP, you would think that the PEAK temperature would be going UP.
But only "averages" are increasing.
If you believe that.
Peak temperatures are in fact going up around the world, we set a records in North America this summer. How else would average temperatures increase without exceeding the peak in many cases. The Artic is heating up more rapidly than the rest of the planet, that is why the permafrost is melting.
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What science points to increased greenhouse gases? What is the greenhouse gas that is increasing causing the planet to warm? Is the greenhouse gas caused by humans? Even if it is proven that man caused the planet to increase its temperature by 2 degrees, is that cause for alarm? Has the temperature of the planet increased more than that? If so, the planet is still here flourishing with life. What is the remedy?
The point is, you do not know. You’re not a climatologist.
Mostly the generation of CO2, Methane and Nitrous Oxide through the burning oil and gas but some are naturally occurring like methane like bogs and swamps.
No I am not a climate scientist, I read through the research.
Yes a 2 degree increase would be a rather large problem.
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The 'greenhouse effect' is the warming of climate that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space. Certain gases in the atmosphere resemble glass in a greenhouse, allowing sunlight to pass into the 'greenhouse,' but blocking Earth's heat from escaping into space. The gases that contribute to the greenhouse effect include water vapor, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, nitrous oxides, and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs).
On Earth, human activities are changing the natural greenhouse. Over the last century the burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil has increased the concentration of atmospheric CO2. This happens because the coal or oil burning process combines carbon (C) with oxygen (O2) in the air to make CO2. To a lesser extent, the clearing of land for agriculture, industry, and other human activities have increased the concentrations of other greenhouse gases like methane (CH4), and further increased (CO2).
The report is from scientists, not enthusiasts, or alarmists, but I suppose that you like so many others think you know more than trained scientists...You don't.
“Trained” Not a word I would choose. I would prefer people who have the education to look at the entirety of the possible climate problem and make educated decisions.
Want to end global warming? Tell all these politicians to shut up. There's too much hot air coming from these bozos.
Sick of hearing it. Especially when it's well known and documented that Earth is a living planet and will have "colds and fevers" throughout it's life. And how long has it been alive? Billions of years. And how many times in those years was there a global event? Many, with ice ages, global warming to ease the ice ages.
That's it. It just dawned on me. The last ice age died out because of all the cave men and primitive people discovered fire. Oh my! What a world....what a world!
We are at 1.1 Deg C (2 Deg F) and going to 1.5 degrees even with radical sudden changes in consumption but we really need to change our habits rapidly.
First , we need to stop all the giant ships polluting our air and oceans. Second, we probably need to get rid of a few billion people. Humans are like a virus to this planet. Consume, consume, consume, that is all we do. The less of us doing it, the better it is for the planet.
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Mostly the generation of CO2, Methane and Nitrous Oxide through the burning oil and gas but some are naturally occurring like methane like bogs and swamps.
No I am not a climate scientist, I read through the research.
Yes a 2 degree increase would be a rather large problem.
So you agree you don’t know a thing about the climate, how it changes, what causes it to change, ad infinitum. Because some climatologists state humans are the cause of climate change, you then must be on the correct side.
So the CO2 ppm in the atmosphere is about 400. Is that harmful? Is that the cause of increase of the earth’s temperature? How much of this increase of CO2 is attributed to human use of fossil fuels? Are we to stop using fossil fuels?
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