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Old 08-09-2021, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
No one ever indicated the earth wasn't warmer before, it was a rather unpleasant place to live at that time unless you were a lizard.

Arrogance is to think that burning fossil fuels which have been stored in the ground for billions of years can't change the climate. Maybe you have a scientific paper to back up your claim that increased levels of CO2 and other greenhouse gases don't heat up the earth, I will wait.

Really bad fires across the globe, the US west, Greece even Siberia on fire, just a bad summer?



The empirical evidence is against you on this one.

During recent recorded history, the Earth's surface cooled and warmed without significant changes to CO2 levels.

Of course, the really important question, the one that never gets answered, is what effect does and will increased levels of CO2 have.

We have more than doubled the atmospheric CO2 level, yet the surface temperature, even by the warmer's account, has barely budged.

Seems the answer to the question is, not much.

 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:13 PM
 
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I was poised to start a thread on this topic but checked first and saw this one. A few questions:
  1. If we take "sky is falling" type action how will we know if the suffering on the poor we are inflicting accomplishes anything?
  2. It's been a cold summer so far where we are. Why?
  3. Why should I trust the speculations of people who have a lot to gain on "climate research"? and
  4. How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man?
Good questions!

1. We must be vigilant and demand supply-chain transparency
2. Climate is not weather
3. Follow the money straight to the fossil fuel industry
4. Ha!
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:17 PM
 
Location: TPA
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How does a discussion on new climate change data have anything to do with Chinese child labor. Sounds like an excuse to be hyper-partisan and ignore the actual issue at hand.

South Carolina, a traditionally red state, actually gets the majority of its power through nuclear and hydro-electric. Virtually none is from coal. Texas, also a traditional red state, is the #1 state in wind power, and if were a country, would rank 5th in the world in wind power capacity. Colorado, a blue state, gets 54% of its power from dirty coal.

Goes to show, it's not about red or blue. Like the virus, we've hurt ourselves for decades making climate change a political issue. It shouldn't be. Very simple: invest less in dirty energy like fossil fuels, and invest more in clean energy. Regardless of it will benefit you, think of the future generations.

Will doing this destroy the world economy? No. Is it because the world will always need energy no matter where it comes from? Yes. Will jobs be lost? Yes. But will jobs also be created? Yes. Those people who lose their fossil fuel and coal jobs, can they be given the hydro, wind, solar, nuclear jobs? Yes.

Do we have the infrastructure for everyone to have an electric car right now? No. But is there really anything wrong with an electric car? No. Can both gas-powered and electric-powered cars co-exist? Yes. Will most future cars likely be a hybrid model anyways? Most likely.

Are many cities using electric buses and trains now? Yes. Does anyone have a problem? No. Are planes cleaner than before and relying on less gas? Yes. Does anyone have a problem? No. So why do people care so much about electric cars, but dont bat an eyelash at electric planes, trains, and buses? Partisan politics that has used American car culture as a marionette.

Is Biden going to put you in prison if you dont have an electric car in 2031? No. Will he even be president in 2031? No. Is mass-electric car adoption proposals anything new? No. Is it common knowledge that electric cars would already have more of a footing in the marketplace if it wasn't for the oil lobby? Yes. Can you read about in an American museum? Yes.

Will people vehemently refuse electric car adoption in favor of traditionalist gas powered cars...yet continue to complain about the gas prices? Yes, lol.

"how is daggum gas $4 a gallon! This is outrageous!"
"You could buy an electric car and then you wouldn't even need to pump gas, ever"
"....shut up."

And are cars even our main worry? No. The majority of heat-trapping pollution comes from factories [abroad], not cars, so again, using Chinese child labor as an excuse (and a poor attempt at a moral compass lesson) holds no weight. Our biggest change - worldwide - needs to be our energy sources. Focusing on a war of cars just distracts.
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:18 PM
 
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Of course, the really important question, the one that never gets answered, is what effect does and will increased levels of CO2 have.

We have more than doubled the atmospheric CO2 level, yet the surface temperature, even by the warmer's account, has barely budged.

Seems the answer to the question is, not much.
The greenhouse effect:

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/20...lobal-warming/
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:19 PM
 
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How does a discussion on new climate change data have anything to do with Chinese child labor. Sounds like an excuse to be hyper-partisan and ignore the actual issue at hand.
It was tangentially related, but yeah.
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:26 PM
 
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No, I don’t think you do. The Earth’s naturally occurring C02 has not been a problem for a long time. While natural events like volcanic eruptions can create enough C02 and other greenhouse gases to dramatically alter the climate - see the Permian Extinction for an example of what too much C02 can do - nothing even close to that scale has occurred naturally anytime in many thousands of years.

However, when humanity builds thousands and thousands of factories that emit C02 and other greenhouse gases, as well as all the cars on all the roads doing the same, it can create a greenhouse effect, warming the planet and leading to the kind of climate change our society is not equipped to handle.

It kind of reminds me of the COVID vaccine debate. Some of us want to prevent the disastrous effects of climate change in the first place by taking steps NOW. Others want to wait and see, then treat the symptoms as they emerge.

The flaw with the second line of thinking is that the Earth is such a complex system and climate change will cause problems on so many levels that we will have to be constantly inventing new ways to stave off the effects of something we are currently in a position to prevent.

I thought conservatives were focused on the future and conserved as a result. One of their long-standing criticisms of the left is that they only care about today, and aren’t thinking about the repercussions of their actions on the future. And yet, here we find the conservatives making merry while the Titanic sinks. The science is clear and the scientists have 97-98% agreement on the issue. But no….let’s listen to the 2-3% because they’re telling us we can just keep living the same way we’ve been living. Nobody got energy to actually change the way they live
Conservatives of course want to preserve the future, but not based on pseudoscience. There is no evidence man is causing climate change. How much CO2 is currently in the atmosphere? How much has it increased? What evidence is this CO2 affecting the climate?

The drastic steps you want to take is not based in science. There isn’t a scientist who can definitively state man is the cause of climate change, yet you want to put in place life altering mandates to curb climate change?
Absolutely arrogant.

The science is not clear and hardly settled. Science is guess work and a discovery process that is always changing. Scientists do not have a 97% agreement on climate change. Where are you getting that stat?

You do not know what you are talking about.
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:30 PM
 
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Conservatives of course want to preserve the future, but not based on pseudoscience. There is no evidence man is causing climate change. How much CO2 is currently in the atmosphere? How much has it increased? What evidence is this CO2 affecting the climate?

The drastic steps you want to take is not based in science. There isn’t a scientist who can definitively state man is the cause of climate change, yet you want to put in place life altering mandates to curb climate change?
Absolutely arrogant.

Scientists do not have a 97% agreement on climate change. Where are you getting that stat?

You do not know what you are talking about.
Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...26/11/4/048002
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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A Hotter Future Is Certain, Climate Panel Warns. But How Hot Is Up to Us.
Soooo ... maybe it's time for Lefties to cut the crap and start supporting the greenest energy source on earth: Nuclear Energy.

The Left's unending crusade against nuclear is easily the biggest obstacle standing in the way of humanity actually getting a handle on greenhouse gases.
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:38 PM
 
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What temperature SHOULD Earth be?

Anyone know?
 
Old 08-09-2021, 03:40 PM
 
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My prediction?

Climate change will kill off all but about one percent of the current population, whittling it down to about 78 million people.

The surviving population will be fine because they'll have the resources to adapt what's left of Earth and they'll have machines do all the work.
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