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Old 10-17-2021, 08:51 AM
 
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Because, if you really think about it, there is no in principle difference between the two parties.
They both are clueless, what to do to prevent coming collapse.

They both have no plan.
One, in power, decided to go broad side terror against its own people, betting on general crowd stupidity and fear.

But, should cards flip say overnight, nothing will really change. Pandemic will end, mandates will be revoked with executive orders - but Titanic will sink anyway as that is what is designed to happen by powers, far beyond dems or reps of bankers of big tech.
Excellent point. The only ones with a real clue are the Pauls and people like Paul Ryan. The collapsing economy, unpayable/unserviceable spending/debt, crazy immigration policies, and the collapse of the dollar are the real issues but we're being fooled with Covid.
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Old 10-17-2021, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Because It involves getting out of the way. Something neither party is likely to do because it will prove their own worthlessness.
So true. Was watching Ghostbusters 1 & 2, and I noticed that the problems really started when the EPA used the judicial system to attack the Ghostbusters who were providing a service to the cities needs. It finally takes one of them to sweet talk the mayor into letting them out by noting that he would be saving the lives of millions of registered voters. Now sure, this is a stupid movie, but the thing is back then, Hollywood knew that politicians and agencies were the problems, never the solutions and they often made fun of it. Just like how in Die Hard, the Feds take over the hostage situation just so they can fly around in their choppers, and then they get destroyed because they are following their playbook, rule by rule, and the criminals know this, so it's far too easy to destroy them. It takes a cop not going by the books to get the people out.

And the sad thing is, this isn't too far off from the truth. Feds failed Ruby Ridge and Waco.

They were completely useless in preventing 9/11 or the Boston Terrorist attack, but when Richard Jewels discovered the bomb at the Centennial Olympic Park and alerted the police, who were able to clear the area, it was shortly after that the FBI comes in and accuses him of planting the bomb. I find it interesting that Janet Reno was the attorney general for both the Waco and Richard Jewell fiasco even though she made remarks that what happened at Ruby Ridge a year before her swearing in, that this would not happen on her watch.
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Old 10-17-2021, 08:54 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Thankfully the US cannot control media outside of the US.
I never made the assertion that they should. I only pointed out that the source was from the Russian government, so people may want to consider the possibility they may be wanting to frame it in a certain way that benefits them.

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"Follow the Facts" - Translation, sit down, shut up, and just get the jab.

By the way, many police unions, you know the ones who are being threatened with their jobs if they don't get the jab, are fighting the mandates. There have been Law Enforcement Agencies who have come out publicly stating that they aren't going to enforce any sort of vaccine mandate. So I wouldn't be so sure that a call to them about being blackmailed would elicit the response you are claiming.
At least to me, the facts of being vaccinated are far more compelling than other attempts to refute them. I do realize there are people out there who are so stubborn, to their own and society's peril.

As to the bolded part, you do realize that a lot of law enforcement agencies (specifically Sheriff's departments) are politicians before they are law enforcement professionals since they are elected rather than hired based on the judgments of their competence from other law enforcement professionals? So they are only pandering to their bases in certain counties that have more of that sentiment, particularly when the vaccine has become so politicized.
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Guess that means never?
Yep, especially since they keep moving that goal post. For starters, you won't be able to get everyone vaccinated at the same time. You truly do have people that medically cannot get the vaccine. Young children aren't given the vaccine either, so that alone will make it impossible to vaccinate everyone.

Second major thing is that this administration keeps pushing for booster shots, so because of this, you won't be considered vaccinated till you have your booster, and they keep pushing this crap every month, and because of this nonsense, many people will officially be considered not vaccinated when a booster is demanded. It's going to be an endless cycle, so we need to fight this crap now while we still have our guns to do it.
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:03 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Excellent point. The only ones with a real clue are the Pauls and people like Paul Ryan. The collapsing economy, unpayable/unserviceable spending/debt, crazy immigration policies, and the collapse of the dollar are the real issues but we're being fooled with Covid.
Both the Pauls are Libertarians at heart....just enough government but no overreach.
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:05 AM
 
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That's not blackmail it's extortion
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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Vax mandates > worker shortage > shortages.
That's why it's blackmail.
And the vaccines are being proven to cause harm in some people, like blood clots. So all these workers could get the vaccine and then still not be able to work due to being sick or have blood clots.
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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Threatening people to get the vaccine is only going to make them even more skeptical and probably less likely to get it.
When they start making threats, it only makes the situation look even more suspicious.
There is something more going on with this vaccine!!


There is no way in hell the US govt is saying things like this otherwise, I hate to say it, but 'Mark of the beast' comes to mind...what is it about this vaccine, that they so desperately want everyone in the world to get it?


**I can assure you, its NOT due to a virus that has a 99% survival rate...something else is going on.
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So... basically, a government representative admitted in public that "shortages" are controlled and can be changed at will? As, otherwise, how else they can return it to normal the very moment some benchmark is reached?
Maybe this is when the Mexico government can have a chance to shine. Bring the ships to their shores and they can unload them and then send them to the US by train to Texas or Arizona (states that are being run by mostly competent politicians) or sent to the East coast of Mexico where they can be put on independent boats and shipped to Florida and other similar areas.
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:19 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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And the vaccines are being proven to cause harm in some people, like blood clots. So all these workers could get the vaccine and then still not be able to work due to being sick or have blood clots.
While concern over the risk of blood clots from a vaccine (as in any medication) is a valid concern, you have to look at that in the context of the clinical data showing that is an extremely rare risk, and that the risk of having a blood clot from severe COVID-19, of which unvaccinated people are more vulnerable to, is higher.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...es-study-68675
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