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While not the pistol rounds in question; these things are being made to look TOO exactly alike the real deal. I understand the reasoning behind this BUT more exact rules of handling must be observed, as an accident like this is not only possible, but inevitable.
My long ago military training time included magazine loading with dummy cartridges of this caliber, and the .303's before them, with three long valleys or crimps down the side of the casing to very clearly show they were dummy rounds. You could very easily discern them from real ammo.
Perhaps these movie companies need a national set of rules by which ammunition of any and all type is supplied/stored/handled/used on sets with inspections to confirm compliance with safety rules.
The movie industry already has are strict rules for handling by a specific individual on the set, the armorer. If all their rules are followed, the situation is adequately safe. In this case, a good many of those rules were broken.
We'll see. As I said, it's going to be an interesting test of the justice system.
I agree.
I said earlier in the thread and now that I’m 1/2 done with his interview I believe it even more: Baldwin believes charges are coming and he’s trying to get ahead of it.
The Stephonopulous interview is going to be on ABC at 8pm 16 minutes from now. I dont know if that only the LA area or all over.
One thing is for sure, if Baldwin was a Republican he would immediatly have been thrown in jail and still be there.
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But not from viewing the base of the casing. From the view through the gate of the chamber in a single-action revolver, all you can see is the base of the casing. A live round, a blank round, or a dummy round, would all look the same to someone checking the gun, except for small details whoever loaded the gun would know.
That sounds like someone made up both some dummy rounds and some live rounds from the same lot of cases (which is IMO an error. I specifically use nickel-plated casings for dummy training rounds and brass cases for handloaded live ammunition as yet another means of distinguishing them sight).
Long before Rust came about, Hannah's dad made live rounds out of recycled parts. From the way Kenney was talking, some of the parts Hannah's dad had used were from Starline Brass, who doesn't make live rounds. The box of blanks and dummy rounds used on the Rust set had come from Starline Brass.
Kenney took(stole) some of those live rounds from Hannah's dad. He refused to return them to Hannah's dad. Seems he sat on them for awhile.
Later on down the road, Kenney was hired on Rust. He procured the gun and the blanks and dummy rounds for that production.
Kenney claimed that the live rounds that Hannah's dad had made looked similar to the blanks and dummy rounds. If the live rounds had been the ones that Hannah's dad had made then it would appear that Kenney either knowingly or accidentally put some of those live rounds, that he'd stolen, into the box of blanks and dummy rounds...which could be 'how' live ammo got on the set.
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Apparently Hollywood-style dummy rounds look identical to live ammunition except for the b-b that rattles inside.
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We don't know if those dummy rounds had the Hollywood-style b-b in them or had the hole that regular dummy rounds have. I suspect it must have been the former, because dummy rounds for "civilian" use have multiple sight-cues: The bullet is usually a bright color, they usually have the hole (1/8-inch or so) in the side of the case, and the primer pocket on the base is usually filled with a bright colored rubber material. Here is a typical dummy round a "civilian" would use:
The rest of the ammo in that box of blank and dummy rounds were individually shaken after the shooting, some of them rattled and others made no noise.
The person handling a firearm is always the responsible for it being safe- always. He said it was not his responsibility.
Yes it was, regardless of the person responsible before himself.
I saw a recently released clip where he said he was directed to pull
back the hammer, as if to c**k it. He said he was told how to orient
the barrel and to continue to pull back the hammer.
Then he said they told him they had the shot and he dropped the hammer.
Duh, that's what happens when you pull the trigger.
The Baldwin interview reminds me of the Burke Ramsey interview with Dr. Phil. Burke needed to defend himself to Dr. Phil's audience before a CBS special would show how he could have killed his sister, Jon Benet Ramsey. The "new information" Burke shared was he felt guilty leaving the front door of his house unlocked trying to give credence to the theory an intruder killed Jon Benet, so Burke couldn't have done it.
Now the "new information" we hear Baldwin say to defend himself is he didn't pull the trigger, so he wasn't responsible for the killing. Baldwin is defending himself with a tv interview like Burke did, so something must be happening soon.
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