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Of course Putin wanted to take Kyiv if only to 'influence' a new government. That was one of his stated goals. He had billboards set up in Russia proclaiming: We want the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. Russia did not have enough force to take Kyiv, as it discovered after how many deaths?
Anne Applebaum who did commented right before the invasion it showed Putin clearly did not understand Ukraine who will not ally with Russia in some Putin-imagined union. There are no "actual" Russians in Ukraine, except for some now Russian citizens in Donbas (and Crimea). This war began in 2014 as Putin pushed hate-buttons.
The right metaphor is not game or sport but more Shakespearean tragedy. Act 1 of the Putin invasion failed. Now we are on to Act 2. Where Zelenskyy fights to hold on to territory for a future negotiation. And Putin fights for enough to bring home to Russia to justify this invasion to his now hate-filled public. As for Ukrainian hate, it is replenished in full.
Like, duh. Perhaps the Russian soldiers were there to sightsee in Kyiv. The problem is they crossed the border without getting their passports stamped, or whatever was needed.
It is the case in Eastern Ukraine. However the opposition is the most formidable this time. I also have no idea why you or anyone else takes what politicians say at face value. Do you think Russia has announced its plans? Russia is full of propaganda lies but its always square when it comes to its battle plans ? I never care what people say. I look at irrefutable facts like the logistics , man power etc. They might be able to try to get Kiev to surrender , but Russian could not , repeat , take Kiev humanly with 40 000 troops.
Again its almost as if you know nothing about Ukraine. There is no guerilla warfare in Ukraine using anything but civilians. The only place would be near the Carpathian mountains. I predicted many civilian casualties because of this because I predicted that Ukraine would fight in the proximity of civilians. There is no other way. Total war is always quickly decided in Ukraine.
Apparently some people are blind. The first people killed were Russian loyalist. Shocking I know that Russians might start to hate back. Unfortunately brain washed Americans that remain clueless despite every independent polling data I have proved for yeas like Pew, Putin is not a dictator. He has to deal with his own hard liners . American idiots think they are the only one who could stage a coup which they are doing now all around the world in an economic world war which will be starving millions of poor BTW.
So you think that because Russia threaten Kiev that it was their intention to take the city? Have you ever play a game or watched a sport? Russia did not have enough force to humanly take the city.
They lost an awful lot of troops and equipment there for having not tried to take it.
Either way, it's either getting pushed back or gross incompetance for engaging rather than encircling and taking heavy losses as a result.
You surprised?
I am. Russia lost a bunch of soldiers and equipment in that attempt. Now they are re-grouping for an attempt at another target.
Putin reminds me of my cat when he fails.. "Well, I didn't really want to do that, anyway (licks paws)" Now Putin has a new commander armed with another 400 tanks to replace the ones left in Ukraine.
It's amazing that Russian soldiers are willing to invade. They saw what happened to the last bunch.
OK. Come on. Ukraine has 5000 Javelins, 1400 Stingers and lots of other goodies to use. Russia never expected that, and is not too sure what to do.
Who knows what will happen? I thought at this point Kiev would be destroyed and urban warfare well underway.
I also get the sense that the longer this drags on, the more people will be meh. We already live in a world where thanks to the internet people have short attention spans and even shorter memories, such that today's news is already ancient news.
I already see a lot more backlash comments against Ukraine in various website comments sections as well as YouTube videos.
You surprised?
I am. Russia lost a bunch of soldiers and equipment in that attempt. Now they are re-grouping for an attempt at another target.
Putin reminds me of my cat when he fails.. "Well, I didn't really want to do that, anyway (licks paws)" Now Putin has a new commander armed with another 400 tanks to replace the ones left in Ukraine.
It's amazing that Russian soldiers are willing to invade. They saw what happened to the last bunch.
OK. Come on. Ukraine has 5000 Javelins, 1400 Stingers and lots of other goodies to use. Russia never expected that, and is not too sure what to do.
Who knows what will happen? I thought at this point Kiev would be destroyed and urban warfare well underway.
Russia never expect that? They have seen it in Syria and Yemen on Western armor.
What they were hoping for is for Ukraine to be less willing to fight. That I will agree disappointed them. That was due in part to Ukrainian killing Russian loyalists in the east like Mayors and other people that have power. Several of them just disappeared.
It is the case in Eastern Ukraine. However the opposition is the most formidable this time. I also have no idea why you or anyone else takes what politicians say at face value. Do you think Russia has announced its plans? Russia is full of propaganda lies but its always square when it comes to its battle plans ? I never care what people say. I look at irrefutable facts like the logistics , man power etc. They might be able to try to get Kiev to surrender , but Russian could not , repeat , take Kiev humanly with 40 000 troops.
Again its almost as if you know nothing about Ukraine. There is no guerilla warfare in Ukraine using anything but civilians. The only place would be near the Carpathian mountains. I predicted many civilian casualties because of this because I predicted that Ukraine would fight in the proximity of civilians. There is no other way. Total war is always quickly decided in Ukraine.
Apparently some people are blind. The first people killed were Russian loyalist. Shocking I know that Russians might start to hate back. Unfortunately brain washed Americans that remain clueless despite every independent polling data I have proved for yeas like Pew, Putin is not a dictator. He has to deal with his own hard liners . American idiots think they are the only one who could stage a coup which they are doing now all around the world in an economic world war which will be starving millions of poor BTW.
The question is not whether *I* know anything of Eastern Ukraine but whether Putin does. Of course, how Eastern Ukraine will react is relevant to future acts of this mess. It's been of interest from the beginning, with much thread time already devoted to it. FSB intelligence gone wrong etc.
Who listens to politicians? Throw away lines, not helpful. Taking up unnecessary thread space.
And who mentioned guerrilla warfare? I never got beyond Acts 1 and 2. You're referencing my comment Ukraine not wanting to ally? Ukraine will be hard to occupy but that's hardly an original thought. Depending, of course, on any future boundary lines. Almost certainly the possibility of future guerrilla warfare was not part of any original Putin consideration.
Considering that atrocities occur in every war (that's just the nature of the game) and on all sides, the uniformly one-sided narrative pushed by much of western media today should trouble many. Reporting on the news should be just that. It shouldn't be taking the allegations made by Zelenskyy as gospel; even in those cases where the media says that Zelenskyy claims something took place, the level of outrage from these same people that follows gives their supposed objectivity away. I just want the news, not opinion pushed as news. Why is that so hard to find these days?
See, the problem is, the atrocities were going on in Ukraine already for some time, ( for the last eight years to be exact,) but Western media stopped doing its job probably two-three years ago, objectively informing public of what Ukrainian state is.
I would guess this happened after Zelensky came to the office.
Before that, you could find the material on the ultra-right forces in Ukraine.
After Zelensky came to the office, (2019) the Nationalists supposedly simply disappeared in the thin air.
Yeah right.
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