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Yeah, the Glock in the glove compartment turned out to be really useful that day.
It did --- they had to get more cunning to pull it off as they couldn't take a well armed citizenry head on. But if at any time people believe the u.s. can not be invaded by a foreign power --- remember, yes the u.s. can be and was invaded.
Most leaders of the Democratic party, liberals, have promised to take away the right to own guns
How do you figure that?
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Then please explain to us what so deeply drives liberals to destroy America? Is it because when liberals have completed the destruction, they will become the world's new billionaires?
Sign me up!
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The Marxist Communist ideology is already sleeping on your bed with you, is in your TV favorite "news", is in the notebooks of your kids if any or your grandkids
Oh, good Lord ....
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Was Trudeau a foreign power?
Trudeau invaded the United States? How did I miss that? I hope he brought beer, eh?
If the 2nd amendment followers acted with some sort of eye to national defense, the debate would be different. But I don't really see that.
I mean - the militia referred to in the 2nd is pretty clearly defined:
This fairly well describes what a lot of countries would call a Home Guard. But I'm not seeing a US militia being trained according to the discipline prescribed by Congress. I'm seeing a ton of people arming themselves in a very undisciplined manner, and the inevitable consequences.
If the followers of the 2nd adopted the Swiss attitude to marksmanship and firearms - one fairly described as "We should be ready to fight for what's ours", I'd respect that. Instead, I'm hearing a lot of talk along a much more self-centered way of thinking - "I want to be able to shoot anyone coming for what's mine". (And an unhealthy fascination with the firearm as an object, but that's a longer debate.)
We don't care.
“Self centered way of thinking…” - you dont say
Ukrainian citizens weren't a militia until a few days ago. I've heard stories of folks going to the police station and getting AK-47s. "Know how to use that?". "No, but I'll figure it out."
You think maybe the Ukrainians need gun safety courses before they head out on the streets to defend their lives and country?
I think armed civilians facing actual military units is the sort of last-ditch unblinking bravery that would inspire heroic poems in a more refined age, and I wish them well. But we both know that armies are much more than just a group of armed people.
That being said: If American gun culture focused on national defense instead of feeding people's fear of fellow Americans to make them purchase handguns for personal defense - handguns that statistically trend to be used for less laudable purposes - I'd have so much more respect for the 2nd Amendment argument. The open carry activist who slings his rifle in the supermarket isn't making a point on national defense.
The question was put out there. Literally in the headline.
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“Self centered way of thinking…” - you dont say
One has to argue from experience, right? But OK, if you're looking for facts - how many invaders have been forced off US territory thanks to 2nd amendment militias?
ETA: OK, that last bit was unfair. Retracted.
But do you disagree with my observations? Are NRA publications focused on readiness for national defense, or personal defense?
(Wait, didn't the NRA get in hot water for laundering Russian money? Awkward...)
One has to argue from experience, right? But OK, if you're looking for facts - how many invaders have been forced off US territory thanks to 2nd amendment militias?
We don't what situations have been deterred from happening because of the 2nd amendment. I know where I live only a crazy person would attempt a home invasion. The world does understand we are heavily armed.
Ukrainian citizens weren't a militia until a few days ago. I've heard stories of folks going to the police station and getting AK-47s. "Know how to use that?". "No, but I'll figure it out."
You think maybe the Ukrainians need gun safety courses before they head out on the streets to defend their lives and country?
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I think armed civilians facing actual military units is the sort of last-ditch unblinking bravery that would inspire heroic poems in a more refined age, and I wish them well. But we both know that armies are much more than just a group of armed people.
That being said: If American gun culture focused on national defense instead of feeding people's fear of fellow Americans to make them purchase handguns for personal defense - handguns that statistically trend to be used for less laudable purposes - I'd have so much more respect for the 2nd Amendment argument. The open carry activist who slings his rifle in the supermarket isn't making a point on national defense.
Global knowledge works wounder on those who might get bright ideas ... the 2nd Amendment is, our last line of defense. Take it away because of some perceived egotistic --- what's left? Do you have an alternative that doesn't leave the citizen defenseless in foreign and domestic terrorism?
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