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Old 04-28-2022, 03:17 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Socialism is great for the "ruling" class. Unfortunately for the rest of the people, it doesn't work out so great.

The ruling class paints socialism as a perfect society where everyone is taken care of. After all, the people that feed more on emotion than logic, can't see why anyone would be against the government just "taking care of them". Fail to realize that for a government to "give" everything they must first "take" everything. But by the time that happens, it is too late and you end up with a country like North Korea or Venezuela because eventually there is nothing more to give and the "ruling" class is not going to give up their status.
In what country do you live? I've never heard anyone talk like this. Your reference to a ruling class sounds like you live in a communist country.
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Right behind you
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if Socialism is a guaranteed failure why does amerika have to put decades long sanctions on countries like Cuba and Venezuela to hinder their economies? And why aren't they crashed and destitute by now?

why was Cuba able to invent multiple Covid vaccines and export doctors around the world and why did the u.s. send a delegation to Venezuela to beg for oil they've tried to take off the market and make cheaper via sanctions?
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:31 PM
 
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if Socialism is a guaranteed failure why does amerika have to put decades long sanctions on countries like Cuba and Venezuela to hinder their economies? And why aren't they crashed and destitute by now?

why was Cuba able to invent multiple Covid vaccines and export doctors around the world and why did the u.s. send a delegation to Venezuela to beg for oil they've tried to take off the market and make cheaper via sanctions?
Cuba exports doctors around the world to earn hard currency, not to foster goodwill. Cuba earns enough through that and tourism to keep the country's infrastructure in a state of deterioration and its people-- all the people-- poverty stricken.

Most reasonable people would call that a failure.
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:31 PM
 
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capitalism restrained by socialist concepts, think social security and child labor laws...the us has been this way for over a hundred years...and the right has screamed socialism at social security and medicare just the same...


the ayn rand types would do away with even fraud laws and let the market handle those
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:34 PM
 
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The 600 pound gorilla in the room is corporate socialism or corporate welfare. In a pure form of capitalism we would not bail out companies that fail or give subsidies to corporations because they have have some form of competitive disadvantage. Examples: Bailing out our largest financial institutions in '08, Subsidies to the petroleum industry and agriculture.


We hand out trillions of dollars to corporations and that seems to be okay, but if we give one penny to someone that needs a leg up we hear about how "socialism" is ruining our country. Why do we provide a broad safety net for corporations but become so stingy on the safety net for our citizens?
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:38 PM
 
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The 600 pound gorilla in the room is corporate socialism or corporate welfare. In a pure form of capitalism we would not bail out companies that fail or give subsidies to corporations because they have have some form of competitive disadvantage. Examples: Bailing out our largest financial institutions in '08, Subsidies to the petroleum industry and agriculture.


We hand out trillions of dollars to corporations and that seems to be okay, but if we give one penny to someone that needs a leg up we hear about how "socialism" is ruining our country. Why do we provide a broad safety net for corporations but become so stingy on the safety net for our citizens?

because we really worship money, and have even desecrated Jesus and made "wealth" gospel church who our former president invited to the white house
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:38 PM
 
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capitalism restrained by socialist concepts, think social security and child labor laws...the us has been this way for over a hundred years...and the right has screamed socialism at social security and medicare just the same...


the ayn rand types would do away with even fraud laws and let the market handle those
Ummm ...


You are describing the social-welfare state, something that all developed countries possess to some extent.

Here, the social welfare state, whatever you might think of it, was built by both Democrats and Republicans.

The Right sometimes murmurs (certainly does not scream) that Social Security and Medicare are broke- which they are. More than a few Democrats have acknowledged that as well. I don't recall anyone of either party calling it socialism and as it more than 7 decades old, I cannot believe it would matter.

Nobody of any seriousness is calling to abolish fraud laws. Now, if your hyperbole and outright fiction have concluded ....
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Old 04-28-2022, 03:59 PM
 
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Scandinavian Socialism:

0 year - a baby is born. All the hospital fees are paid by the government. The parents get paid maternity leaves.
1-6 years - the baby gets free kindergarten, free healthcare.
6-19 years - the teenager studies for free, gets all kinds of free food and help
19-25 years - she is a university student, everything is free

25-65 years - now she realizes that she has to pay 60% of her salary in taxes to fund kids and retired. It's a perfect time to immigrate to a place with much lower taxes.

65 years - it's a good time to return back and live on an excellent government pension.
And Scandinavian countries literally have leaders that tell us to stop calling them socialist and associating them with that word.

In fact, Denmark's leader said Bernie calling them socialist was a slur.

https://www.investors.com/politics/c...-it-socialist/
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Old 04-28-2022, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Does anyone know??? Or perhaps I'm supposed to believe North Korea is an example of socialism working out and that's what we're supposed to aspire to???
Just as there is a fresh new crop of children who are told about Santa Claus and his elves, every new college semester there is a fresh new crop of gullible ignorant high school kids who have their heads filled with Utopian socialist idealist clap trap.
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Old 04-28-2022, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Socialism is a bate and switch . Never has the common people benefited from Socialism as described. It is a totalitarian rule over the people with a ruling class and a dictator. All freedom is destroyed. Big government rule over the people and the useful idiots support it and are used as pawns to get there through brainwashing and deceit.
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