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All the Scandinavian countries are very successful, that is why the OP used North Korea.
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Scandinavia is not socialist, hence why they tell Bernie he is clueless when he calls them as such. They are capitalist with a larger social safety net.
By some metrics Scandinavian countries are more capitalist than the USA.
Scandinavia is not socialist, hence why they tell Bernie he is clueless when he calls them as such. They are capitalist with a larger social safety net.
By some metrics Scandinavian countries are more capitalist than the USA.
Depends where you draw the line, the US is capitalist with a large social safety net although not as large as the Scandinavian countries. Sanders isn't alone in his claims that they are socialist.
But I'm happy to hear that we aren't socialist since we don't measure up to North Korea.
This I have to see, with Medicare, SS and DOD being the largest part of the budget what do you propose.
How about the Government stop wasting money propping up fundamentally unsustainable ponzi schemes?
1) Socialist Insecurity - Privatize it and terminate the program. Deposit the 12.4% in people's 401ks. Give everyone below e.g. $40k gross income an extra 3% matching contribution courtesy of Uncle Sam. Complete phase-out at $55k. What you do with that money is on you. Abolish the Social Security Administration and abolish FICA.
2) Medicare - Same thing. Privatize it. To the extent the states want to do something like this, let the states figure it out.
3) DoD - This is the only one of the 3 you named that is actually an explicit responsibility of the Feds. 20% cut across the board.
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Depends where you draw the line, the US is capitalist with a large social safety net although not as large as the Scandinavian countries. Sanders isn't alone in his claims that they are socialist.
But I'm happy to hear that we aren't socialist since we don't measure up to North Korea.
Sanders is either an idiot or is lying to push forward real socialism by making it seem pleasant.
By definition Scandinavia is not socialist.
Is Bernie dishonest or not knowledgeable?
The definition of socialism is where the means of producing goods (think factories and farms) and the means of distributing goods (think stores and restaurants) are not privately owned, but rather owned by the government or worker collectives.
This clearly is NOT Scandinavia.
Now that you have been retold the definition, seriously, is Bernie lying to dupe Americans into thinking socialism is more pleasant or is he just extremely clueless as to what he talks about?
Sanders is either an idiot or is lying to push forward real socialism by making it seem pleasant.
By definition Scandinavia is not socialist.
Is Bernie dishonest or not knowledgeable?
The definition of socialism is where the means of producing goods (think factories and farms) and the means of distributing goods (think stores and restaurants) are not privately owned, but rather owned by the government or worker collectives.
This clearly is NOT Scandinavia.
Now that you have been retold the definition, seriously, is Bernie lying to dupe Americans into thinking socialism is more pleasant or is he just extremely clueless as to what he talks about?
Or he is actually a socialist in the conventional sense and he's referring to Scandinavia to make it seem more palatable than it is. So just another communist liar.
Scandinavia is not socialist, hence why they tell Bernie he is clueless when he calls them as such. They are capitalist with a larger social safety net.
By some metrics Scandinavian countries are more capitalist than the USA.
That's all sales pitch.
High taxes, very significant regulation of private enterprise, very significant government reach into everyday life etc. is the new socialism and all of that = Scandinavia.
FWIIW the governments of Norway and Sweden wholly own a number of businesses and partially own many others. Finland, Iceland and Denmark too but to lesser degrees.
Oxford Dictionary.........Socialism
"A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
High taxes, very significant regulation of private enterprise, very significant government reach into everyday life etc. is the new socialism and all of that = Scandinavia.
FWIIW the governments of Norway and Sweden wholly own a number of businesses and partially own many others. Finland, Iceland and Denmark too but to lesser degrees.
FWIW I have ZERO problem with the Government owning businesses as long as the Government is prohibited by law from having or exercising any kind of control over said businesses and the business operates like any other for-profit business. If the Government partly owns a corporation, it should have NO voting rights and NO ONE from the Government should be allowed on the board.
IIRC the Government of New Zealand owns a large stake in Air New Zealand and Singapore Airlines is majority owned by a Government holding company (Temasek Holdings). The difference between these two and Thai Airways/Air India (also both state-owned) is that the former two are managed and operated like businesses whose mission is to turn a profit for their shareholders and NOT like some corrupt politician's plaything.
The vast majority of national pension schemes and sovereign wealth funds also invest their trust funds in the market.
High taxes, very significant regulation of private enterprise, very significant government reach into everyday life etc. is the new socialism and all of that = Scandinavia.
FWIIW the governments of Norway and Sweden wholly own a number of businesses and partially own many others. Finland, Iceland and Denmark too but to lesser degrees.
Oxford Dictionary.........Socialism
"A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
Most of the businesses they own are services or utilities are they not? Not the means of producing goods.
Scandinavia is not socialist if we use REAL DEFINITIONS.
As I pointed out before Denmark's leader literally explained how they aren't socialist and asked Bernie to stop using that "slur."
Bernie is just a lying PoS fooling people into thinking socialism is something it's not so it seems more palatable.
I'm fact, by some measures it is EASIER to open a privately owned business for producing goods in a Scandinavian country than the USA.
Rail, gas transmission, real estate, farms, venture capital, booze, IT........state ownership is significant.
I'll grant you that Sweden, Norway and Finland in particular are less socialistic now than in the 1970s but that's it.
Using Marx & Engels and similar definitions of socialism means that every country outside North Korea practices capitalism.........that's distortion at best.
Nominal income tax in Denmark is around 55%. So the PM can say whatever he wants.
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