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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
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Old 01-31-2023, 04:03 PM
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Russia has been under sanctions since the 2014 invasion of Crimea and Russia did attack the 2016 election. Republicans hanging out at a party with Putin in 2018 is coming really close to treason.

And Putin did not respect Trump, he used him. He tried to break up NATO so he could get the Baltic countries back.
Obama said the 80s want their foreign policy back.
This board says the teens want their DNC propaganda back. You obviously haven't gotten the memo. Even the NYT admits that the whole Trump Russia collusion thing was a hoax.

If you used your brain instead of blindly repeating MSM and actually read Mueller's report you would have read that Russia helped promote both Sanders campaign events and Hillary campaign events, not exclusively those of Trump.
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Old 01-31-2023, 05:05 PM
 
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OMG, you mean Burnie Sanders went to Russia 40 years ago and got drunk? Well that changes everything. That totally justifies the Republican treasonists going to Russia to celebrate the 4th of July with comrade Putin.
That was time...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ

Released 1990
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Old 01-31-2023, 07:19 PM
 
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Russian Department of Disinformation loves it when Americans are too busy fighting each other.
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Old 01-31-2023, 07:51 PM
 
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History would tell you that invading Russia if not a good idea. When was the last successful invasion of Russia?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0kS4iupgGE
I know it will be thrown out of here...Kutuzov :"put their snouts right into sh*t".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kutuzov
Not because i am pro Russia - i ran away from the USSR - but i am reasonable.

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Old 01-31-2023, 08:56 PM
 
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Realizing that being a NATO member might not be enough to deter Russia, Poland is spending 5% of their GDP on defense, more than twice the 2% NATO requirement. This is what Ukraine should have done. Appeasers of Putin would say if Ukraine had a strong military, Putin would have a reason to invade. Ukraine did not have not a strong military, but Russia made up some reasons and invaded anyway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhWdklv-Zhc&t=178s

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Old 01-31-2023, 09:04 PM
 
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We really don't want Russia to collapse.

But we don't want them to continue invading other countries. Hopefully sane Russians will retire Putin before he impoverishes the country.
We're not going to have any choice, I don't think.
Russia was always going to collapse - the Ukrainian war merely accelerated what was going to happen anyway. But you're right; it's not going to be pretty.


Ethnic and regional tensions have been held under control because everyone involved thought "Big Muthu Russia" would put a stop to hostilities. But Russia has now revealed themselves to be blustering bullies with no real power and not even much of an army.
The Nagormo-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan , which has been growing steadily, will now erupt into small scale war. There has been intermittent action but in Sep 2020 it began in earnest. A ceasefire was brokered by Russia, but 7,000 people were killed. Russia will be unable to stop it next time. As we speak there are many thousands of people cut off from supplies and starving.

Chechnya will once again try for independence.
Russia will lose all control of Siberia. There already is an "independent Siberia" movement. They may never become a member of the UN, but they will be free of Russian control.



And The US will not be in a position - or mood - to care. It would be better if Russia could get hold of itself and learn to behave, but that will never be. Their form of government was always destined to fail utterly.
It may take some years before the Russian government fails the way Yemen or Venezuela have, but there will come a day with Russia's GDP is a fraction of what it is today.
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:25 PM
 
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We're not going to have any choice, I don't think.
Russia was always going to collapse - the Ukrainian war merely accelerated what was going to happen anyway. But you're right; it's not going to be pretty.


Ethnic and regional tensions have been held under control because everyone involved thought "Big Muthu Russia" would put a stop to hostilities. But Russia has now revealed themselves to be blustering bullies with no real power and not even much of an army.
The Nagormo-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan , which has been growing steadily, will now erupt into small scale war. There has been intermittent action but in Sep 2020 it began in earnest. A ceasefire was brokered by Russia, but 7,000 people were killed. Russia will be unable to stop it next time. As we speak there are many thousands of people cut off from supplies and starving.

Chechnya will once again try for independence.
Russia will lose all control of Siberia. There already is an "independent Siberia" movement. They may never become a member of the UN, but they will be free of Russian control.



And The US will not be in a position - or mood - to care. It would be better if Russia could get hold of itself and learn to behave, but that will never be. Their form of government was always destined to fail utterly.
It may take some years before the Russian government fails the way Yemen or Venezuela have, but there will come a day with Russia's GDP is a fraction of what it is today.
So far Russia's collupsing is just a dream. Ignorant West bets on wrong horse - ukrainian nazionalism, it is dead horse, maybe another 50-60 years that would have worked. I predict that EU will go behind Hungarian more reasonable example....
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:35 PM
 
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Ukraine will be finished soon.

I cannot predict what will happen after that...but some analysts are probably accurate.

The US media does not even report what is happening....a very narrow and selective filtering.

It's sad....but this has been in the making for a long-time.
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:54 PM
 
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Russian terrorists decimated by anti-tank weapons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtDoPvaCbFQ
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:58 PM
 
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Realizing that being a NATO member might not be enough to deter Russia, Poland is spending 5% of their GDP on defense, more twice the 2% NATO requirement. This is what Ukraine should have done. Appeasers of Putin would say if Ukraine had a strong military, Putin would have a reason to invade. Ukraine did not have not a strong military, but Russia made up some reasons and invaded anyway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhWdklv-Zhc&t=178s
Russians pissed off by Poland. Poland should understand that all they have have to be brought from outside and it means they can not sustain a long conflict. They just must say 'no' to petrodollar and keep supply Russia with allples and cosmetics and pray more. They were oart of Russia for so long and did not learn the secret.
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