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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 02-02-2023, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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He's not a very good driver.

Someone should remind you Ukraine rejected the 20%. It was not Putin's to accept or reject.
In one year Putin has cost Russia everything they have gained in 50 years. In the end - regardless of how much of Ukraine Russia occupies - Russia, because of sanctions and boycotts, will lose control of their republics and, like Venezuela and Syria, will cease to function as a country at all.

Occupying any portion of Ukraine will prolong the sanctions and boycotts that are killing Russia. Ergo, Russia's only way forward is to do a complete about face and leave Ukraine. Short of taking that action, Russia is as doomed as a man on death row.
You are listening to too much Western propaganda. As Putin has repeatedly braged to the Russian people, the war is going as planned, and it is achieving its objectives. Russia is bigger today, then it was before the war. That is what the Russian people want. They don't care about the sanctions. They care about getting more land, not about eating Big Macs and drinking Starbucks coffee, which they can do anyway even with the sanctions.
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Old 02-02-2023, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Outside US
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Col. MacGregor has been shown to be a shill for Russia and consistently wrong on this war.
The idea that Russia isn't fighting for territory is just a really bad lie. Whether you fell for it or are telling it yourself, is irrelevant. Its obviously wrong.
IMO, McGregor has been very accurate.

As we know, he is not pushing the American Mainstream Political Media narrative.

If one does not push the US narrative they are labeled as a "shill for Russia" or "friend of the Kremlin" or a "Putin Stooge."

Not true in McGregor's case at all.
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Old 02-02-2023, 08:13 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
He's not a very good driver.

Someone should remind you Ukraine rejected the 20%. It was not Putin's to accept or reject.
In one year Putin has cost Russia everything they have gained in 50 years. In the end - regardless of how much of Ukraine Russia occupies - Russia, because of sanctions and boycotts, will lose control of their republics and, like Venezuela and Syria, will cease to function as a country at all.

Occupying any portion of Ukraine will prolong the sanctions and boycotts that are killing Russia. Ergo, Russia's only way forward is to do a complete about face and leave Ukraine. Short of taking that action, Russia is as doomed as a man on death row.
I would not say "as doomed as a man on death row" for Russia. There will always be a Russia. But you are mostly right because unless Russia changes its course, Russia risks losing much of its territory and further economic decline. The remaining core of Russia, perhaps something like the old Grand Duchy of Muscovy, will decline to being just a satellite of China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow

It is already started with the near abroad. The Central Asian republics are not helping Russia and are turning toward China. Even worse, within Russia itself, there are complaints from Russia minorities, who control large territories within Russia, that Russia has been unfairly targeting them for the draft. And that is very concerning long term.

The problem is that unless there is a negotiated settlement that the Allies can recognize, then Russia will have only limited relations with her European neighbors, leaving her almost totally dependent on the goodwill of China.
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Old 02-02-2023, 09:00 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Claims about all the trade Russia is now doing with China are baseless. Russia is selling oil - lots of it. But they are selling it below cost. Ironically, that is precisely why the USSR failed. Low oil prices.

According to Alphaliner, fleet capacity deployed on regular intra-European services to and from St. Petersburg has been reduced by 82 per cent since the beginning of the conflict.
Among other carriers Maersk, the world's largest carrier,ceased all vessel operations in Russia and Belarus.


There will be no replacing those thousands of containers with trade done "on the black market". Can't be done.
Putin has destroyed Russia. Russia was going to eventually fail anyway; Putin just accelerated the process.
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Russia as we currently know it may not survive the coming decade and risks becoming a failed state as it pursues its costly war in Ukraine, according to a survey of global strategists and analysts.
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Old 02-02-2023, 09:05 PM
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IMO, McGregor has been very accurate.

As we know, he is not pushing the American Mainstream Political Media narrative.

If one does not push the US narrative they are labeled as a "shill for Russia" or "friend of the Kremlin" or a "Putin Stooge."

Not true in McGregor's case at all.
You obviously didn't read a few pages back where someone went over McGregor's predictions on this war which were consistently wrong. He's predicted the quick demise of Ukraine many times.

And his claims on Ukraine having massively more casualties are just ridiculous. Even Russian millibloggers would laugh at him.
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Old 02-02-2023, 09:25 PM
 
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Some talk of Feb 24 as the date for the Russian offensive to take Kiev. More rumors or made up stuff since it’s the 1 year anniversary of the invasion?
I hope this is not the case. Otherwise, Ukraine's new tanks and IFVs will come too late.
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Old 02-02-2023, 10:22 PM
 
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You obviously didn't read a few pages back where someone went over McGregor's predictions on this war which were consistently wrong. He's predicted the quick demise of Ukraine many times.

And his claims on Ukraine having massively more casualties are just ridiculous. Even Russian millibloggers would laugh at him.
MacGregor was wrong in the very beginning predicting a quick demise of Ukraine.

As a whole he's been accurate enough to keep listening to and following.

I trust him much much more than the mainstream US media and I follow many different sources as you and I assume everyone else does.

And...these sources do not always predict correctly and they do disagree at times.

The fact that Ukraine is asking for more tanks....reinforces the fact that their tanks they originally started with have been destroyed.

It's only a matter of time........how long? Who knows.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:08 AM
 
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MacGregor was wrong in the very beginning predicting a quick demise of Ukraine.

As a whole he's been accurate enough to keep listening to and following.
By "accurate enough", you mean wrong every time.

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I trust him much much more than the mainstream US media and I follow many different sources as you and I assume everyone else does.
Aside from all of his missed predictions, why do you trust him?

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And...these sources do not always predict correctly and they do disagree at times.
Correct. But MacGregor stands out for predicting incorrectly most often.

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The fact that Ukraine is asking for more tanks....reinforces the fact that their tanks they originally started with have been destroyed.
Sure, many have. It is a war, your enemy tends to want to destroy your stuff. These things happen. Of course, if you think about it, the best way to win a war is to get more stuff, like tanks. Maybe even more advanced tanks, like Leopards, Abrams, and Challengers. Then Ukraine can destroy more of Russia's stuff, and potentially win.

So all you have said is that there is a war on, and it is prudent strategy for Ukraine to rebuild forces. Not exactly rocket science.

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It's only a matter of time........how long? Who knows.
Exactly. It is a matter of time until somebody wins. Might be Russia, might be Ukraine. Pretty obvious statement.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:13 AM
 
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Default Fox News Poll: Nearly 2 out of 3 Americans Favor Continuing Support For Ukraine

Cutting off support for Ukraine has become a cause cèlébre of the isolationist, or Pro-Putin wing of the Republican Party. So far, the American people don’t agree. Even among Republicans, a majority still favor supporting Ukraine.


Fox News Poll: Bipartisan support for sending funding, weapons to Ukraine

https://www.foxnews.com/official-pol...eapons-ukraine
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:26 AM
 
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Nice Try but disagreeing with sending Ukraine money and weaponry does not make someone Pro-Putin.

Interesting how Biden and this administration is more concerned about a border conflict thousands of miles away, yet leaves the border in his own Country basically wide open.
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