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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 198 39.52%
No 254 50.70%
Unsure 49 9.78%
Voters: 501. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-03-2023, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I am a conservative that believes in helping Ukraine. History teaches us that isolationism is dangerous. History teaches that appeasing dictators is foolhardy. The Munich conference in 1938 and appeasing Hitler led to guaranteeing a World War Two. There would be no “peace in our time” in 1938. The foreign policy of Ronald Reagan is the model we republicans should follow. Only by being strong and keeping strong ally’s will there be peace. Deterring aggression through strength will lead to real peace. Sometimes that means using and projecting military power. (Or in this case giving military aid). Putin would love to rule half the world if no one was willing to stop him.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:36 AM
 
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Nice Try but disagreeing with sending Ukraine money and weaponry does not make someone Pro-Putin.

Interesting how Biden and this administration is more concerned about a border conflict thousands of miles away, yet leaves the border in his own Country basically wide open.
JMO, but when it comes to foreign policy, Sen. Rand Paul’s isolationism serves Putin so well, the letters after his title could just as accurately read “R-RU” as “R-KY”.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:41 AM
 
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Not wanting involvement in war does not make one an isolationist. I trust fox as much as i do cbs.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Cutting off support for Ukraine has become a cause cèlébre of the isolationist, or Pro-Putin wing of the Republican Party. So far, the American people don’t agree. Even among Republicans, a majority still favor supporting Ukraine.


Fox News Poll: Bipartisan support for sending funding, weapons to Ukraine

https://www.foxnews.com/official-pol...eapons-ukraine
Two out of three Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and can barely run their own lives.
What's your point?
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:03 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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...........Exactly. It is a matter of time until somebody wins. Might be Russia, might be Ukraine. Pretty obvious statement.
I don't even know about that!
Could be one of those Israel/Palestine kind of things where it goes on and on. The internal collapse of Russia would end it, though.
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:04 AM
 
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Two out of three Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and can barely run their own lives.
What's your point?
That cutting off aid to Ukraine is a losing issue politically.
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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LOL at the “pro-Putin” dig. I think we need to stop sending unlimited amounts of money and supplies to Ukraine (corruption), but it doesn’t mean I’m pro-Putin.
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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LOL at the “pro-Putin” dig. I think we need to stop sending unlimited amounts of money and supplies to Ukraine (corruption), but it doesn’t mean I’m pro-Putin.
Actually it does. Because if you get your way, it will make Putin victorious. So by not supporting Ukraine, you are supporting Putin.
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:36 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Urals oil - the stuff Russia must sell - is trading today at $52.47, making it the cheapest oil in the world. Production cost is around $42; 1 year ago it sold for $92.21; The four-week average of oil shipments fell by 600,000 barrels a day in December.


An impoverished Russia makes a safer world.
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Old 02-03-2023, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISW Update 2/2/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ebruary-2-2023

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Feb 2, 2023 - Press ISW

A Ukrainian intelligence official stated that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian military to capture Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts by March 2023, supporting ISW’s most likely course of action assessment (MLCOA) for a Russian offensive in eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Representative Andriy Chernyak told the Kyiv Post on February 1 that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian military to capture all of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts by March 2023. Chernyak also stated that Russian forces are redeploying additional unspecified assault groups, units, weapons, and military equipment to unspecified areas of eastern Ukraine, likely in the Luhansk Oblast area.
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Putin may have overestimated the Russian military’s own capabilities again, as ISW previously assessed.[6] ISW has not observed any evidence that Russian forces have restored sufficient combat power to defeat Ukraine’s forces in eastern Ukraine and capture over 11,300 square kilometers of unoccupied Donetsk Oblast (over 42 percent of Donetsk Oblast’s total area) before March as Putin reportedly ordered. ISW previously assessed that a major Russian offensive before April 2023 would likely prematurely culminate during the April spring rain season (if not before) before achieving operationally significant effects.[7] Russian forces’ culmination could then generate favorable conditions for Ukrainian forces to exploit in their own late spring or summer 2023 counteroffensive after incorporating Western tank deliveries
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