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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 196 39.36%
No 253 50.80%
Unsure 49 9.84%
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Old 02-03-2023, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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No Russian propaganda here. I can promise you this war is NOT going as planned. I'm hoping you are being sarcastic.
As Putin has repeated, Russia is bigger today than it was before the war. That is a factually correct statement. If or probably when the West gets tired of funding the war, those annexations will become permanent. So all Russia has to do is stay the course, and they will achieve their objectives.
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Old 02-03-2023, 03:59 PM
 
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As Putin has repeated, Russia is bigger today than it was before the war. That is a factually correct statement. If or probably when the West gets tired of funding the war, those annexations will become permanent. So all Russia has to do is stay the course, and they will achieve their objectives.
It almost looks like a conspiracy theory, lol, Russian and Ukrainian generals conspire to drain the West of ammo, weapons money and China pays for it...
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Old 02-03-2023, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Do you think that the average factory worker in Russia wakes up every day and thinks "oh my God, we took a few hundred square kilometers from Ukraine, praise Putin!". Or do you think he's concerned about raging inflation,.
Yes. 1 Russia is an empire. The Russian people believe in their empire. As long as the empire continues to expand they will be happy. That is why they support Putin.

2. The inflation rate is currently falling rapidly, and will soon be back down to pre-war level. You need to stop believing Western propaganda about the "raging" inflation in Russia. Because it's not happening.

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Old 02-03-2023, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It is idiotic, imo. Elephant may step on a few more ant mounds. Poor ants.
I believe this thang is going to push the ant mounds back. It's the longest range missile to date at 94 miles and can be launched from existing HIMARS. It has a 25% bigger warhead and 1M accuracy. Even with limited initial supply high value RA C&C and depots will be in range. Can be totally disruptive to invasion logistics, rail, bridges etc. This will make the ants very unhappy.

These are nothing to write off...they are not ATACM's which even Russian milbloggers say would be devastating, but they are in the same neighborhood. They increase the current HIMAR range from 50 miles to 94 miles. That will force the Russians to push their supply depots that much farther back. Check out the Forbes article. These are smart bombs that can turn around and hit targets on the backs of hills.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=49131f366371

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Old 02-03-2023, 05:09 PM
 
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First of all, like MendoMan said, paragraphs please and stop rambling.

Second, you call yourself an American? Your post makes you sound like you are not from the US. Have a more coherent post.
Don’t you dare claim to own the right or ability to define what constitutes true patriotism, because quite frankly, many of you are so brainwashed, you cannot form an original thought of your own, and simply navigate in autonomous mode, 99% of the time. The traditional definition of true patriotism isn’t defined by how willing you are to agree with your political overlords, but in how critical you are of their flaws and behavior, and whether or not they represent our nation’s values and principles, which, by the way, the current crop running things should win them a hemp necktie, rather than medals of honor.

How do we know who is brainwashed? Easy, when anyone says anything that doesn’t align perfectly with the mainstream western propaganda, the immediate conclusion is they have to be a “Putin Apologist”. LOL. The idea that they might be telling the truth is simply inconceivable to the corporate media confused masses. Now, let’s get on with the real truth, in all of its unholy glory.

Most recently, back channel efforts have been quietly engaged by the US in an effort to convince Russia to abandon their eminent escalation in military operations, which the west realizes Ukraine hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving, without direct NATO military engagement of Russian forces, which would mean Nuclear war, and the end of life as we know it here on planet dumb dumb.

Insider sources have indicated that concessions have been offered as an incentive for Russia abandoning this anticipated annihilation of the already debilitated Ukrainian military. Unfortunately, the Russians simply cannot trust any offers from Washington or it’s intermediaries, based on a long and continuing history of lies, deception, and broken promises made in bad faith, for the past 10+ years, and have decided not to take the bait again. This likely means there is one of only two possible outcomes on the horizon, over the next months ahead.

Either NATO chooses to intervene, and directly engages Russian forces, which would almost assuredly be the worst case scenario for the entire world, or NATO accepts the fact that Russia will be deciding the fate of Ukraine, along with the conditions for cessation of hostilities on Russia’s terms, and what, if any, territorial borders Ukraine may maintain as a country, afterward. That’s really the current state of the war, as it really exists in the real world, and not the fantasy world created by CNN, and the other propaganda channels.

The western war mongering psychopaths have reached the end point of their protracted proxy war, because they are running out of Ukrainians and military equipment to use as cannon fodder. According to honest western military analysts, which you will never see invited to the CNN studios, Ukraine’s military capability has been degraded by 70% already, and their ability to even survive the anticipated Russian offensive which has been in preparation for several months, is ZERO. They simply have zero chance of defending themselves at this point. The US knows this, NATO knows it, and Russia does too.

So, instead of waisting your energy in calling me a Putin apologist, I suggest you expend that energy in more useful ways, like praying that there exists some semblance of sanity within the decision making ranks of the United States and NATO, who conclude that conceding Ukraine is a better option than Nuclear war with Russia.

That’s the current state of the war, and it doesn’t matter one iota whose side you champion. That is irrelevant. Facts are facts.

My side? I choose the option of avoiding nuclear war. That should be your side too, if you had enough brain matter to fill a shot glass.
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Old 02-03-2023, 05:14 PM
 
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Yes. 1 Russia is an empire. The Russian people believe in their empire. As long as the empire continues to expand they will be happy. That is why they support Putin.

2. The inflation rate is currently falling rapidly, and will soon be back down to pre-war level. You need to stop believing Western propaganda about the "raging" inflation in Russia. Because it's not happening.
"You can't understand Russia with your mind, With common yards cannot measure: She has a special — One can only believe in Russia."
Fyodor Tyutchev 1866

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Old 02-03-2023, 05:26 PM
 
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I believe this thang is going to push the ant mounds back. It's the longest range missile to date at 94 miles and can be launched from existing HIMARS. It has a 25% bigger warhead and 1M accuracy. Even with limited initial supply high value RA C&C and depots will be in range. Can be totally disruptive to invasion logistics, rail, bridges etc. This will make the ants very unhappy.

These are nothing to write off...they are not ATACM's which even Russian milbloggers say would be devastating, but they are in the same neighborhood. They increase the current HIMAR range from 50 miles to 94 miles. That will force the Russians to push their supply depots that much farther back. Check out the Forbes article. These are smart bombs that can turn around and hit targets on the backs of hills.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=49131f366371
It will damage humanity. My wish is to stop Ukrainians killed, Russians killed, save USA and European tax money, save USA and European lives. I know that that fate of Mussolini will re-occur to those who started this crime.
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Old 02-03-2023, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It will damage humanity. My wish is to stop Ukrainians killed, Russians killed, save USA and European tax money, save USA and European lives. I know that that fate of Mussolini will re-occur to those who started this crime.
Nobody wanted this war...it pretty much shocked the world. It was like reading news in the 19th century. Putin unleashed the hounds of hell. They are his to deal with.
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Old 02-03-2023, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Don’t you dare claim to own the right or ability to define what constitutes true patriotism, because quite frankly, many of you are so brainwashed, you cannot form an original thought of your own, and simply navigate in autonomous mode, 99% of the time. The traditional definition of true patriotism isn’t defined by how willing you are to agree with your political overlords, but in how critical you are of their flaws and behavior, and whether or not they represent our nation’s values and principles, which, by the way, the current crop running things should win them a hemp necktie, rather than medals of honor.

How do we know who is brainwashed? Easy, when anyone says anything that doesn’t align perfectly with the mainstream western propaganda, the immediate conclusion is they have to be a “Putin Apologist”. LOL. The idea that they might be telling the truth is simply inconceivable to the corporate media confused masses. Now, let’s get on with the real truth, in all of its unholy glory.

Most recently, back channel efforts have been quietly engaged by the US in an effort to convince Russia to abandon their eminent escalation in military operations, which the west realizes Ukraine hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving, without direct NATO military engagement of Russian forces, which would mean Nuclear war, and the end of life as we know it here on planet dumb dumb.

Insider sources have indicated that concessions have been offered as an incentive for Russia abandoning this anticipated annihilation of the already debilitated Ukrainian military. Unfortunately, the Russians simply cannot trust any offers from Washington or it’s intermediaries, based on a long and continuing history of lies, deception, and broken promises made in bad faith, for the past 10+ years, and have decided not to take the bait again. This likely means there is one of only two possible outcomes on the horizon, over the next months ahead.

Either NATO chooses to intervene, and directly engages Russian forces, which would almost assuredly be the worst case scenario for the entire world, or NATO accepts the fact that Russia will be deciding the fate of Ukraine, along with the conditions for cessation of hostilities on Russia’s terms, and what, if any, territorial borders Ukraine may maintain as a country, afterward. That’s really the current state of the war, as it really exists in the real world, and not the fantasy world created by CNN, and the other propaganda channels.

The western war mongering psychopaths have reached the end point of their protracted proxy war, because they are running out of Ukrainians and military equipment to use as cannon fodder. According to honest western military analysts, which you will never see invited to the CNN studios, Ukraine’s military capability has been degraded by 70% already, and their ability to even survive the anticipated Russian offensive which has been in preparation for several months, is ZERO. They simply have zero chance of defending themselves at this point. The US knows this, NATO knows it, and Russia does too.

So, instead of waisting your energy in calling me a Putin apologist, I suggest you expend that energy in more useful ways, like praying that there exists some semblance of sanity within the decision making ranks of the United States and NATO, who conclude that conceding Ukraine is a better option than Nuclear war with Russia.

That’s the current state of the war, and it doesn’t matter one iota whose side you champion. That is irrelevant. Facts are facts.

My side? I choose the option of avoiding nuclear war. That should be your side too, if you had enough brain matter to fill a shot glass.
That's quite a bit. Can you provide some sources on this?
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Old 02-03-2023, 05:42 PM
 
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Nobody wanted this war...it pretty much shocked the world. It was like reading news in the 19th century. Putin unleashed the hounds of hell. They are his to deal with.
Some psychopaths want this war badly...On both sides.
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