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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 192 39.26%
No 250 51.12%
Unsure 47 9.61%
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Old 02-04-2023, 10:31 AM
 
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Yes, it came from the USSR but it was a lie.
7.65mm Parabellum used in murders, Russians had nothing of 7.65 caliber. But Germans had. Also bodies were too fresh when examined .
One of reasons i think Germans did it: https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=102167338
Germans had 'Weimar guns ' with odd caliber ...
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Old 02-04-2023, 10:50 AM
 
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My problem as a formerly anti-Soviet, is that ignorant West poked Russia out of slumber are they so stupid or traitorous?
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Old 02-04-2023, 10:54 AM
 
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Or it is just a part of depopulation scheme.
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Old 02-04-2023, 10:55 AM
 
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Here’s another dose of truth, and it includes the assessment of the mainstream claims about a “weakened Russia” and a stalemate in the Ukraine war. Military analyst Col. Macgregor characterizes the mainstream narrative as “delusional”.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XF6r8cwiaS0P/
From my point of view Macgregor is 100% sober.
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Old 02-04-2023, 11:12 AM
 
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My problem as a formerly anti-Soviet, is that ignorant West poked Russia out of slumber are they so stupid or traitorous?

Judging by the clowns in power in the Collective West I would say they are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 02-04-2023, 11:30 AM
 
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Video of journalist reporting IN Bakhmut.

https://twitter.com/dpatrikarakos/st...35860448497665
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Old 02-04-2023, 11:41 AM
 
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Judging by the clowns in power in the Collective West I would say they are not mutually exclusive.
Now Ukraina is still post Soviet at 70% population rate, this as quenched cast iron, very hard. It is not really Russian but Soviet, different entity. The west jumped the gun, they should be doing this riot in 2050.
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Old 02-04-2023, 11:51 AM
 
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My problem as a formerly anti-Soviet, is that ignorant West poked Russia out of slumber are they so stupid or traitorous?
This goes back 10-15 years. The first point that needs to be understood is that NATO has slowly shifted from a military defensive alliance against an expansionist USSR, to a post USSR offensive military alliance, to project western power and hegemony over the entire world. Russia is simply unwilling to allow that hegemony to encompass Eastern Europe, and especially Ukraine. Ukraine has long been where the line in the sand has been drawn.

Nevertheless, Russia stood idle as the US orchestrated a civil war inside Ukraine, and the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, that took place in 2014. From that point, the anti Russian - US puppet regime in Kiev engaged in a systematic exorcism of everything Russia in Ukraine, including the Southeastern Donbas region heavily consisting of ethnic Russian Ukrainians, who ultimately decided to separate from their non-representative Government in Kiev. And for the next 8 years, Ukrainian armed forces have engaged in military action against its own citizenry there, killing thousands of civilians and targeting civilian targets and civilian infrastructure. And the only thing Russia did during this time was to provide ongoing assistance to the militias formed in the region as a defensive force against continuing Ukrainian military assault. The Russian military was never sent in to intervene on their behalf, nor did these militias attack Ukraine proper, but simply engaged in defensive actions against Ukrainian government forces attacking them.

After years of failed negotiations, an agreement was signed, referred to as the Minsk accords, for which Ukraine ultimately did not honor. It was later admitted by the German Chancellor that the Minsk agreement was simply a delay tactic to buy time for Ukraine to build up their military capacity, to better equip itself to confront Russia, militarily. The push toward making Ukraine a member of NATO was the final breaking point that led to what Russia called a “special military operation” which was precisely what it started out as. This military operation was not an invasion, nor was it an effort to occupy Ukraine, but only to put a stop to Ukraine’s persecution and ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians in the Donbas, and to shut down US run bioweapons labs scattered all across Ukraine, suspected of working on ethnic specific biological weapons designed to target Russians.

The escalation of the war to the current situation is due to direct US/NATO military support of Ukraine, which has only resulted in Ukraine being systematically dissected, with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed and wounded, and Ukraine’s military capacity rendered virtually impotent, and the country itself, on the brink of ceasing to exist as a viable nation.

In other words, US-NATO has literally sacrificed Ukraine as a pawn in its efforts to harm Russia and create domestic unrest within Russia, which it hoped would lead to the removal of Putin by Russians. The plan has failed spectacularly, and instead of weakening Russia and Putin, the opposite has occurred, and Russia is far stronger now, than before, as is Putin.
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Old 02-04-2023, 11:54 AM
 
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This goes back 10-15 years. The first point that needs to be understood is that NATO has slowly shifted from a military defensive alliance against an expansionist USSR, to a post USSR offensive military alliance, to project western power and hegemony over the entire world. Russia is simply unwilling to allow that hegemony to encompass Eastern Europe, and especially Ukraine. Ukraine has long been where the line in the sand has been drawn.

Nevertheless, Russia stood idle as the US orchestrated a civil war inside Ukraine, and the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, that took place in 2014. From that point, the anti Russian - US puppet regime in Kiev engaged in a systematic exorcism of everything Russia in Ukraine, including the Southeastern Donbas region heavily consisting of ethnic Russian Ukrainians, who ultimately decided to separate from their non-representative Government in Kiev. And for the next 8 years, Ukrainian armed forces have engaged in military action against its own citizenry there, killing thousands of civilians and targeting civilian targets and civilian infrastructure. And the only thing Russia did during this time was to provide ongoing assistance to the militias formed in the region as a defensive force against continuing Ukrainian military assault. The Russian military was never sent in to intervene on their behalf, nor did these militias attack Ukraine proper, but simply engaged in defensive actions against Ukrainian government forces attacking them.

After years of failed negotiations, an agreement was signed, referred to as the Minsk accords, for which Ukraine ultimately did not honor. It was later admitted by the German Chancellor that the Minsk agreement was simply a delay tactic to buy time for Ukraine to build up their military capacity, to better equip itself to confront Russia, militarily. The push toward making Ukraine a member of NATO was the final breaking point that led to what Russia called a “special military operation” which was precisely what it started out as. This military operation was not an invasion, nor was it an effort to occupy Ukraine, but only to put a stop to Ukraine’s persecution and ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians in the Donbas, and to shut down US run bioweapons labs scattered all across Ukraine, suspected of working on ethnic specific biological weapons designed to target Russians.

The escalation of the war to the current situation is due to direct US/NATO military support of Ukraine, which has only resulted in Ukraine being systematically dissected, with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed and wounded, and Ukraine’s military capacity rendered virtually impotent, and the country itself, on the brink of ceasing to exist as a viable nation.

In other words, US-NATO has literally sacrificed Ukraine as a pawn in its efforts to harm Russia and create domestic unrest within Russia, which it hoped would lead to the removal of Putin by Russians. The plan has failed spectacularly, and instead of weakening Russia and Putin, the opposite has occurred, and Russia is far stronger now, than before, as is Putin.
Well said. The West is burning coal - humans- so their steam engine may appear to go forward but it goes sideways but goes somewhere...
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Old 02-04-2023, 12:08 PM
 
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From my point of view Macgregor is 100% sober.

Yes, along with Col Mcgregor, Scott Ritter has very reputable sources in high places, and has a tremendous amount of experience in military intelligence and analysis. He tells it like it is, with no fluff or pretense. He’s been saying for months now that the very idea that Ukraine would win this war is absolute nonsense. His assessment of Ukraine’s potential to win is ZERO chance.

These guys are providing the true, accurate assessments of the current status, and what is actually taking place in Ukraine.

What the news media and official government talking heads here are telling us is pure unadulterated propaganda.
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