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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 192 39.26%
No 250 51.12%
Unsure 47 9.61%
Voters: 489. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-13-2023, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Imagine making so little progress with the counteroffensive you post video clips of Ukraine scoring pot shots on anything Russian.
It's pretty bad. Last year when the Ukrainians were actually making some progress, and managed to liberate Kherson, the Russians were retreating and satellite images showed them digging trenches all the way back at the Crimea border with Ukraine. That's an indication the Russians thought the Ukrainians would make it to Crimea, and they would have to put up a last stand there. But here we are a year later, and the front lines look almost exactly as they did last year. The Ukrainians are nowhere near Crimea. The Russians have to be slapping themselves for all the time they wasted fortifying the border for nothing.

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Old 08-13-2023, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Imagine ethnic cleansing not seen on a level since WW2
Imagine being so western centric and historically ignorant as to unironically believe this.
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Old 08-13-2023, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Funny that the bots are posting nonsense. This keeps up Ukraine wont have any males left in the country except for the corrupt Zelensky klan.
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Old 08-13-2023, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Just curious - why are you posting data from March 2022?

It's August 13, 2023 today, FYI.
Listener2307 likes wishful thinking. The current inflation rate in Russia is 4.3%. It's 3.2% for the US.

Inflation Rate - By Country
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Old 08-13-2023, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Russian military expenditures have increased 200%, not 600%.

2) Prior to the war, Russia spent 4% of its GDP on the military. Which means Russia is probably spending around 8% of its GDP on the military now. Which is fairly high, but not the highest in the world. In comparison, Ukraine was spending 34% of its GDP on the military even prior to the war.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ct-gdp-russia/
Sorry I misspoke, I was thinking something else about the 600% increase. Although you're wrong, Russia's war budget has soared over 280%, not 200%.

The 600% increase in military spending was Putin's doing in the first 21 years of his rule.

From our friends at Wikipedia:

According to estimates for the 21 years from 2000, Russia increased its military budget from $9.23bn to $65.9bn, or more than 600 percent. Moscow spends more on the military than any country of the European Union.



So to sum it up, prior to this invasion Putin increased it 600%, and in the course of this invasion he took that, and increased it by >2.75 times.

So let's take all that, and apply it to corruption. Russia, with it's huge and well-funded armed force, in the span of 1.5 years, still can't get their crap together to take out "the most corrupt country in the world"...who somehow, with the fraction of Russia's military capabilities, and with all their alleged problems per the Z-patriots here, was somehow able to repel the invasion at 3 major points, and are now chipping their way through the current front.
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Old 08-13-2023, 09:42 AM
 
Location: DFW
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The Heritage Foundation found that the United States’ current $113 billion in aid to Ukraine costs $900 per American household.
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Old 08-13-2023, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Some money is going straight to Ukraine to pay for things.

But you're right. This war has been a huge success for the industrial military complex. Blackrock will also swoop in after the war as planned. Money given to Ukrainian pensions funneled to Wall Street.

This war must happen and continue because it is too profitable.

Why did the US push Ukraine to launch the spring offensive it knew would almost certainly fail? Stalemates aren't as profitable? It's just 45,000 dead Ukrainians in this offensive, a small price for the US to pay.

Anyone who questions anything is a Putin bot, yet this war is supposedly about democracy, democracy that encourages free thoughts and speech. And all while the US helps remove a democratically elected Pakistani prime minister for being neutral on this war. Democracy.
The Z-parrot narrative is always based on some bs. For instance, Yanukovych's ouster was US orchestrated, zero proof. The US promised the Soviet Union no eastern NATO expansion, not true. And now this thing about how the US "pushed" Ukraine to launch the spring offensive. Did we now? Please, tell us all about it.

But I suppose when someone believes basing intl policy per random poll results is democracy, stands to reason they also associate media speculation with official governmental dealings.
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Old 08-13-2023, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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The Heritage Foundation found that the United States’ current $113 billion in aid to Ukraine costs $900 per American household.
What's the Heritage Foundation's estimate on per household cost in the even Russia wins in Ukraine, and then sparks a war with NATO while trying to build a "land bridge" to Kaliningrad? Or China takes Russia's win as a greenlight to move on Taiwan?

Or are these just absolutely ludicrous thoughts?
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Old 08-13-2023, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Imagine making so little progress with the counteroffensive you post video clips of Ukraine scoring pot shots on anything Russian. Imagine hating a group of people so much that you openly cheer for their deaths. Imagine the sort of self righteousness one must feel to hold this view. You fancy yourself a God? The spirit of Cain is alive and well.

Posts video of overweight Russians on a beach. Thinks this dehumanizes them while it makes them more like Americans than he realizes but the irony among other things is lost on him. Lost in the sauce.
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Old 08-13-2023, 10:14 AM
 
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What's the Heritage Foundation's estimate on per household cost in the even Russia wins in Ukraine, and then sparks a war with NATO while trying to build a "land bridge" to Kaliningrad? Or China takes Russia's win as a greenlight to move on Taiwan?

Or are these just absolutely ludicrous thoughts?
Ludicrous thoughts.

Russia can't win a conventional or nuclear war against NATO through invasion. NATO has 4 times the population and 10 times the GDP. Russia knows this.

You worry about aggression leading to more aggression. NATO has something like 90% of the world's foreign military bases while telling China they can't make foreign military bases. NATO has ruined many Muslim countries. NATO is occupying a third of Russia's ally Syria and pillaging oil and wheat. On and on.

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