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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:58 AM
 
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Russia says - and they always tell the truth - they have thwarted another attack on the Crimean Bridge by the terrorist state Ukraine.
Russia also says they will retaliate for this "unsuccessful attack".
Russia is evidently doing very well. They report all drones over Moscow are being destroyed and all attacks on all positions are repelled, while all Russian efforts are rewarded by recapturing land that should belong to them, anyway. Russia is concerned that Ukrainians may harm civilians.



I remember just weeks ago Ukraine could not even reach the bridge with existing artillery. Now, they seem to attack it almost daily - or someone does; we don't really know who is attacking the bridge because Ukraine keeps a lid on almost all information.
We don't really know who is sending drones over to Moscow, nor do we know the origin of the mysterious fires and explosions all over Russia.


In January it took 66 ruble to buy one dollar. Yesterday it took 99. That's good news for those Americans who will travel to Russia, since their dollar gets 99 rubles. McDonald's cheeseburger will cost you 75 rubles. Four-pak of yogurt will take the whole 100.
You'll need 2.7M rubles to buy a new car, though - that's up 40% from last year. The average salary in Moscow is 57 thousand a month, and interest rates for cars, if you can get a loan, run around 10%.



Sounds great!..... I'm thinking of retiring there.
I am hoping Russian freedom fighters are behind these attacks. Logistically, they are in a better position than Ukraine to do it.
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:00 AM
 
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I watched the whole video. I’m a bit puzzled. I had wondered how the drone was powered. There was a single mention of the word “motor” as well as mention of cameras. Obviously neither was part of the flat pack. There was also mention of software. That implies that some type of computer was also on board.

Wouldn’t radar pick up the motor, cameras and computer?

I also wondered at the potential peacetime possibilities of this type of cheap drone. Monitoring forest fires or ground activity after a natural disaster and delivering emergency supplies?
It has to be powered by something, right.
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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I wish we could dress people like you in camo, and send you in.

The reality is, this bridge is vital civilian infrastructure, and affects the civilian population of Crimea. Attacks on it only highlights the criminal nature of Ukraine’s regime, and escalates tensions for retaliatory strikes in response.
Or better yet people in Russian camo can cross back into Russia
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:05 AM
 
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Preston Stewart:

The US is far behind Russia and China in the propaganda war. He is absolutely right. Take a look at this thread, for example. This is an English speaking, American forum. Yet this thread is dominated by Russian bots, Putin shills, and Chinese wumaos.


https://youtu.be/-4eewPluplg
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:05 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Let's say if Zelensky did that, and? What do I care from the viewpoint of an American, who likes seeing Russia take a pounding, as it did with our latest NATO expansion, Putin can't travel coz of an arrest warrant lol, all them rubles going on his war, all them Russians getting 200/300'ed, etc etc. I'm liking it.
Yeah. me, too.
Ruskateers babble on about who is corrupt and who is nazi. It doesn't matter.
Doesn't even matter how much money the US provides for weapons to Ukraine, because most of that money never leaves the US. Weapons are made here by Americans and shipped somewhere else, while we make more........ Sounds like a deal to me


Gotta giggle at the crowd who, on one hand acknowledge Russia is corrupt, and then point to the fabricated figures provided by Russia to data collection entities as proof Russia is doing fine.
Car sales are 1/3rd of what they use to be. Car prices are 40% higher this year than last. Ever see one of the Russo-Clowns address that fact?


We should have clobbered Russia back in '08 when they invaded Georgia. Better a little late than not at all. Besides, this time the US has the company of Canada, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France, UK, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Czech Republic, Croatia, Portugal, Greece, Italy, Spain, Israel, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, and Japan.
Russia doesn't stand much of a chance in holding what they have, much less gaining.


The Russian ball bearing shortage continues, as reported by Maintenance World on May 5th. Russia has never made their own.

Russia imported most of its railroad bearings from US and Europe. Of the $419 million worth of ball bearings imported to Russia in 2020, 55% were from manufacturers in North America and Europe. According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the shortage is affecting Russia’s ability to manufacture new tanks and restore older ones. They may look to China and Malaysia to supply ball bearings, but those bearings are of significantly lower quality than the ones produced in America or Europe.
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:28 AM
 
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Zelensky is weeding out corruption by firing heads of recruitment. Ukraine wants to be in the EU. One of requirements for EU membership is less corruption. Good for Ukraine.

Russian bots often scream: "Ukraine is corrupt". Ukraine is actually less corrupt than Russia. On the international corruption index, Ukraine has a score of 116 while Russia has a score of 137. The difference is Ukraine is doing something about it.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

Germany might send Ukraine the Taurus cruise missile. This missile would be very helpful to Ukraine. I hope they get it soon.


https://youtu.be/LvajT4M7DNI
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:32 AM
 
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You forgot to mention that the extreme corruption rating in Ukraine was before the 2014 Euromaiden/Revolution of Dignity uprising, and that Ukraine has significantly improved since ousting Yanukovich.

Says who?

By whose account?

Just because Ukrainian crooks became "pro-American," they didn't stop being crooks.

"Burisma" saga, when corrupt business hired Biden Junior to look "more legitimate" in international circles is a fine example of it.
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:38 AM
 
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Zelensky is weeding out corruption by firing heads of recruitment. Ukraine wants to be in the EU. One of requirements for EU membership is less corruption. Good for Ukraine.

Russian bots often scream: "Ukraine is corrupt". Ukraine is actually less corrupt than Russia. On the international corruption index, Ukraine has a score of 116 while Russia has a score of 137. The difference is Ukraine is doing something about it.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

Germany might send Ukraine the Taurus cruise missile. This missile would be very helpful to Ukraine. I hope they get it soon.


https://youtu.be/LvajT4M7DNI

Wait, what "corruption"?

There is no corruption in Ukraine "after they ousted Yanukovich."
Oh you mean now their swindlers rob the army dry too, making money even on their men dying on the front lines, on their food/clothing/military supplies?
Or letting some to wiggle out of the draft for good money?
Nah, nothing to see here, "Ukraine significantly improved since Yanukovich was ousted."


Big difference with Putin's Russia, or at least that's the kind of fairy tales some are telling us.
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Old 08-12-2023, 11:43 AM
 
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Doesn't even matter how much money the US provides for weapons to Ukraine, because most of that money never leaves the US. Weapons are made here by Americans and shipped somewhere else, while we make more........ Sounds like a deal to me
Some money is going straight to Ukraine to pay for things.

But you're right. This war has been a huge success for the industrial military complex. Blackrock will also swoop in after the war as planned. Money given to Ukrainian pensions funneled to Wall Street.

This war must happen and continue because it is too profitable.

Why did the US push Ukraine to launch the spring offensive it knew would almost certainly fail? Stalemates aren't as profitable? It's just 45,000 dead Ukrainians in this offensive, a small price for the US to pay.

Anyone who questions anything is a Putin bot, yet this war is supposedly about democracy, democracy that encourages free thoughts and speech. And all while the US helps remove a democratically elected Pakistani prime minister for being neutral on this war. Democracy.
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Old 08-12-2023, 12:23 PM
 
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Then you should know better than this. Obviously, you lack any historical perspective whatsoever, because your position and statements are profoundly ignorant of the facts.

Putin’s actions and position regarding Ukraine has everything to do with Western provocation that’s been ongoing for more than a decade, and has nothing to do with any territorial aspirations or desire to engage aggression against Ukraine. Without going into the historical details and intricacies, just prior to Russia’s decision to engage the military, Putin again tried to avoid the conflict by offering a guarantee to Ukraine and its western puppet masters, to respect Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty in return for Ukraine simply agreeing to live up to its promises made under the Minsk agreements, and abandon its quest to join NATO. Russia’s main interests were in stopping the Ukrainian military assaults on the civilians in the Donbas, 14,000 of which had been killed over the course of 7 years, which include significant numbers of ethnic Russians, and for Ukraine to remain a neutral state, not a hostile NATO proxy on its doorstep.

The deeply underlying truth that no one is discussing or even seems aware of, is the globalists desire to deconstruct western civilization, while destroying Russia simultaneously. You don’t need to believe me, but you might want to believe them, when they reveal to you their ideological positions:




Think about what this demonic piece of trash is actually telling you! Yes, as we see this demonic woke agenda, and the pedophile perverts destroying America internally, they haven’t been able to successfully infiltrate Russian society in order to destroy it from the inside out like they are doing here in the US and much of Europe, so they’re doing it from the outside, using Ukraine. And they are willing to continue, until they run out of Ukrainian bodies to throw into the meat grinder, so long as it weakens Russia.

This is the New World Order, or simply the Globalist agenda for one world government. Russia, unlike the United States, has not been infiltrated and captured. That’s what makes the Rooskies and Putin the evil bad guys, and the idiot public has bought into this bullśhit, hook, line and sinker.

Bunch of f’ing dolts. Too bad we can’t issue all of you little computer war commanders and Champions of Ukraine a uniform, and a trip to the front lines.

This is nothing but true, because western civilization is based on Christianity, and Christianity is based on patriarchy. So you can't really destroy western civilization as it is, without destroying Russia first, since it's a part of Christendom, a very staunchly patriarchal part of it.

So congressman Jamie Raskin nailed it, when he said that "Russia is an Orthodox Christian country with traditional social values, and for that it must be destroyed, no matter what cost to us. This is jihad."

And it doesn't matter how corrupt Putin is ( or not.)
It's not about Putin's corruption ( he can be replaced.)

It's about Russian Orthodox culture as it is.

"Putin's corruption or aggression" is just an excuse, is just a pretext to do away with the most staunchly Orthodox Christian culture that is not changing, no matter under what social/political guise it lives.

So only with destruction of Russia the woke, the globalists can achieve their ultimate goals.



However, if I will follow the logical line here, if they intend to destroy the Christian church, then they are literally the demonic force ( if to believe the bible.)

So when I see men "breastfeeding infants" and drag queens crawling closer and closer to children, it basically fits the description.
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