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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:10 AM
 
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Oh all this hand wringing, America bad, Ukraine corrupt, Russia strong, yeh yeh ok then. But again, America is not providing weapons and support because we're "nice", it just happens to be that our goals and Ukraine's coincide. It's entirely in our interest to keep Russia entangled in Ukraine, for many reasons. And, it's working, for instance Russia military expenditures have increased 600% and now are slated to take a 1/3 chunk of their annual spending. Meanwhile, here's Russia:

https://youtube.com/shorts/tFagf0FxXqk?feature=share
Ukraine is corrupt. Russia is corrupt. Eisenhower himself warned us about the corrupt US industrial military complex that could drag us into unnecessary wars and threaten our freedoms.

It's very Orwellian that if you state facts of the current situation you get called a Putin puppet. We need to think not regurgitate BS.
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:17 AM
 
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Oh all this hand wringing, America bad, Ukraine corrupt, Russia strong, yeh yeh ok then. But again, America is not providing weapons and support because we're "nice", it just happens to be that our goals and Ukraine's coincide. It's entirely in our interest to keep Russia entangled in Ukraine, for many reasons. And, it's working, for instance Russia military expenditures have increased 600% and now are slated to take a 1/3 chunk of their annual spending. Meanwhile, here's Russia:

https://youtube.com/shorts/tFagf0FxXqk?feature=share
Boy ole boy, are the army of geniuses out in force on this thread.

United 24 Media, a Ukrainian Government media entity created in 2022. Surely they are an impartial and unbiased source of truth, justice and the Ukrainian way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United24_Media


Why would you even post such nonsense? Do you really consider such crap trustworthy? Or do you think everyone is just stupid?
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:22 AM
 
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Ukraine is corrupt. Russia is corrupt. Eisenhower himself warned us about the corrupt US industrial military complex that could drag us into unnecessary wars and threaten our freedoms.

It's very Orwellian that if you state facts of the current situation you get called a Putin puppet. We need to think not regurgitate BS.
I just can’t believe someone would use a Ukrainian government media entity (propaganda outlet) as a meaningful source of information.

But then again, I would never have imagined seeing a mentally ill male freak trying to chest feed a baby until now either. Seems the world has officially gone barking mad.
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:23 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The countries are all corrupt including ours...the US.

There is no "good guy" anymore
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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The countries are all corrupt including ours...the US.

There is no "good guy" anymore
Accurate.
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Boy ole boy, are the army of geniuses out in force on this thread.

United 24 Media, a Ukrainian Government media entity created in 2022. Surely they are an impartial and unbiased source of truth, justice and the Ukrainian way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United24_Media


Why would you even post such nonsense? Do you really consider such crap trustworthy? Or do you think everyone is just stupid?
Who cares how biased it is, comrade Texasguy? Dispute the point of the vid. We'll wait right here while you go drum up some bullsh*t, and that's all you're gonna provide coz...Russia's provinces are dirt poor, with crumbs handed out to them for infrastructure and development. And it's going to get way worse with Russia having to spend that much more dough on their special military occupation. Facts.
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:37 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Who cares how biased it is, comrade Texasguy? Dispute the point of the vid. We'll wait right here while you go drum up some bullsh*t, and that's all you're gonna provide coz...Russia's provinces are dirt poor, with crumbs handed out to them for infrastructure and development. And it's going to get way worse with Russia having to spend that much more dough on their special military occupation. Facts.
When it supports your view then no one should care ?

Oh..how progressive of you

FWIW Ukraine has no objective media. Zelensky took control of all media in Ukraine right after the war started.
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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I just can’t believe someone would use a Ukrainian government media entity (propaganda outlet) as a meaningful source of information.

But then again, I would never have imagined seeing a mentally ill male freak trying to chest feed a baby until now either. Seems the world has officially gone barking mad.
Ok I see what's up. Basically, you're most likely a politically polarized feller, not much different from a progressive liberal (your bane). The last decade or so has gone broke you, and now you view everything with a partisan eye. So, if the democrats were against supporting Ukraine, you'd be shrilling about evil Putin.
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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When it supports your view then no one should care ?

Oh..how progressive of you

FWIW Ukraine has no objective media. Zelensky took control of all media in Ukraine right after the war started.
Let's say if Zelensky did that, and? What do I care from the viewpoint of an American, who likes seeing Russia take a pounding, as it did with our latest NATO expansion, Putin can't travel coz of an arrest warrant lol, all them rubles going on his war, all them Russians getting 200/300'ed, etc etc. I'm liking it.
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Old 08-12-2023, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Let's say if Zelensky did that, and? What do I care from the viewpoint of an American, who likes seeing Russia take a pounding, as it did with our latest NATO expansion, Putin can't travel coz of an arrest warrant lol, all them rubles going on his war, all them Russians getting 200/300'ed, etc etc. I'm liking it.

You should care.

Because you're gobbling down the propaganda of Ukraine being a democracy like a good little puppet.
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