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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 194 39.19%
No 252 50.91%
Unsure 49 9.90%
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Old 03-15-2023, 06:38 PM
 
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Do I still think Russia needed Manafort to ...
Have you forgotten that YOU are the one who claimed



That was you, not me that said that, and my reply is that wasn't Manafort behind it, that was the Russians through their agent Kilimnik.
And that's when I explained to you where ( and why) you were wrong.

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Please reply with a lengthy irrelevant post this time about the Poles taking Moscow in the 1600's. That would explain it
I am glad you are learning.
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Old 03-15-2023, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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update from the front..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONtxtkvWpdU
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Old 03-15-2023, 07:07 PM
 
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Denys says it's time to pull out of Bakhmut..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXCQw6nGjcg

Yep, the Wagners are batsh*t crazy ( them and their Prigozhin,) and that's why they went for the offensive in those mines 320 meters deep underground, and that's why batsh*t crazy Prigozhin is trolling Putin now. And that's why they are surrounding Bakhmut and pushing for the Red Lyman and Slavyansk - somewhere in that direction. (An attack on Pology mentioned here didn't work out for Ukrainian military, they had to retreat back to their previous positions too.)

I have no idea how Ukrainians are going to retreat from Bakhmut now, that the roads turned into the mud rivers...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thd98RNLR0


I wish that as many of them would surrender at this point as possible, to save their lives, now after Zelensky ( and Syrsky, following Zelensky's personal orders,) kept on throwing them into this meat grinder for no good reason.
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Old 03-15-2023, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISW Update 3/15/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...-march-15-2023

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Mar 15, 2023 - Press ISW

The overall pace of Russian operations in Ukraine appears to have decreased compared to previous weeks. A spokesperson for the Ukrainian Joint Press Center of the Tavriisk Defense Forces, Colonel Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskyi, stated on March 15 that Russian offensive actions have decreased significantly over the last week and noted that daily Russian ground attacks have decreased from 90 to 100 attacks per day to 20 to 29 per day. Dmytrashkivskyi reported that Russian forces have somewhat lost offensive potential due to significant manpower and equipment losses. Dmytrashkivskyi’s statements are consistent with ISW’s general observation regarding the pace of Russian operations along the entire frontline in Ukraine. The Russian offensive operation in Luhansk Oblast is likely nearing culmination, if it has not already culminated, although Russia has committed most elements of at least three divisions to the Svatove-Kreminna line. Russian forces have made only minimal tactical gains along the entire Luhansk Oblast frontline over the last week, and Ukrainian forces have likely recently managed to conduct counterattacks and regain territory in Luhansk Oblast. ISW has been unable to confirm the commitment of the 2nd Motor Rifle Division (1st Guards Tank Army, Western Military District) to the offensive in Luhansk Oblast since certain unspecified elements reportedly deployed to Luhansk Oblast in January--the only large formation assessed to be operational but not yet engaged. It is unclear if the 2nd Motor Rifle Division has already deployed and has not been observed or if it is waiting to deploy to either Luhansk Oblast or other areas of the front. The commitment of two or three of the 2nd Motor Rifle Division’s constituent regiments, however, is unlikely to significantly delay or reverse the culmination of the Russian offensive in Luhansk Oblast, especially considering that at least five Russian regiments have definitely been fully committed in this area, likely along with several others, but Russian forces have still been unable to make substantial gains.
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Old 03-15-2023, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Denys says it's time to pull out of Bakhmut..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXCQw6nGjcg
This is bad.

Time is on Russia's side. They will just keep chipping away at it until they have what they want.
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Old 03-15-2023, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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This is bad.

Time is on Russia's side. They will just keep chipping away at it until they have what they want.
You mean giving Zelensky a blank check of money, equipment, and military assets didn't work?

Wow, who didn't see that coming?
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Old 03-15-2023, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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You mean giving Zelensky a blank check of money, equipment, and military assets didn't work?

Wow, who didn't see that coming?
There is no blank check and you know it. They are getting a fraction of what they have asked for and no long range weapons whatsoever.

As I have posted many times the US and NATO are not giving them support to win the war. They are only giving them enough support to prolong the war.
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Old 03-15-2023, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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There is no blank check and you know it.
Wrong:
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Congress Approved $113 Billion of Aid to Ukraine in 2022
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/congress-...d-ukraine-2022

Again, you could give Ukraine all the money on earth, they will still border Russia, which means nothing would've changed this border dispute.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:06 AM
 
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Ukrainian defenders have finished training on the Leopard tanks in Spain and will take part in the upcoming counter-offensive. The new tanks will help but they won't be a game changer. Now matter which tanks Ukraine get, they are still vulnerable to mines, anti-tank rockets, and artillery fires.

Drones and long-range missiles are better than tanks, imo.
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Old 03-16-2023, 05:26 AM
 
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Wrong:

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/congress-...d-ukraine-2022

Again, you could give Ukraine all the money on earth, they will still border Russia, which means nothing would've changed this border dispute.
What do you mean by "they still border Russia" ...are you implying that because Ukraine
borders Russia, therefore Ukraine should roll over and let Russia take over Ukraine?

Yes, Ukraine borders Russia ....IMO after Russian forces have retreated back to Russia,
then Ukraine needs to be like an Israel...have powerful enough military force near the border
to deter Russia from ever even thinking of invading them again.

And no ...it's not a blank check...it is military equipment and other aid to be sent to Ukraine,
of up to $113 billion....not a blank check.
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