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It's more than that, this is an oldskool slavic slugfest, way predating the Soviet Union, and at least some of the combatants are absolutely loving it, on both sides. Think dudes on horseback, with pointy helmets and chainmail vests, strapped with broad swords...with rape/pillage/conquest on their minds.
Sometimes I think the best thing that happened in world history is that Europe never united. They spent hundreds of year fighting each other, with each of the European countries taking turns at having an empire.
Second best thing that happened in world history would be the failure of The Civil War to divide America. George Friedman feels The Age of America is upon us. Right or wrong America determines who roams the seas and what rules apply. If America wanted to change things in the Black Sea, it could be done next week. America chooses to just watch. Russia is glad; Ukraine asks for more help.
It indicates who the real aggressor is in this whole story.
With your logic, I think we can rewrite the entire history of European Imperialism.
Those primitive societies with their monopolistic hold on their own natural resources were the true aggressors in denying the European powers their rightful spheres of influence.
With your logic, I think we can rewrite the entire history of European Imperialism. Those primitive societies with their monopolistic hold on their own natural resources were the true aggressors in denying the European powers their rightful spheres of influence.
No we can't.
It is what it is, and it has no connection to today's war, once the "overseas" power is involved.
I don't know what you're talking about, because your "conquest" theory is just pseudo-intellectual blabbering.
Do you know what neocolonialism is? Do you know how dependency works? Do you know anything?
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Ukraine's win is not going to "collapse" Russia. It's not like you Russians, with your nukes, would magically disappear (although that would be awesome).
What does America want? Why did America push the 2014 coup? Why was America militarily and economically supporting Ukraine long before this war? What is the Brzezinski/Wolfowitz/George Soros strategy as it relates to Russia? Or the Victoria Nuland, John McCain, Lindsey Graham strategy? Or other strategic thinkers like a Henry Kissinger or the RAND corporation.
You seem to think America is some benign hegemon who only wants world peace and the spreading of freedom and democracy because we're just such nice people. That is childish and idiotic thinking. America is a ruthless empire bent on world domination. Our goal is to protect the US dollar and keep ourselves on top by keeping the rest of the world weak, divided, and dependent.
America simply doesn't care about "democracy" except as a tool for American Empire. We support democracy when and where we can control it(democracy is easily manipulated by money). The moment a "democracy" defies us, we overthrow it and install a dictator. The idea that America cares about other countries is laughable. America only cares about itself.
The goal of the United States is both regime-change in Moscow and the "decolonization" of Russia. The United States needs to break apart Russia because Russia, with its vast territory and resources, will always be a great power as long as it exists. Only through the dissolution of Russia and by making its pieces economically and militarily dependent(especially through divide and conquer) can Russian power be permanently wiped off the map. As long as Russia remains in one piece it can never join the EU(or other similar organizations) because it would, in time, dominate.
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I disagree(that Ukraine will ever be a nuclear power).
Ukraine developing nukes is not in America's interests. The United States was happy to disarm Ukraine back in the 1990's for a reason, and the United States would love to disarm everyone else. If nukes didn't exist, America would have conquered the entire world in 1991. Ukraine being allowed to have nukes is tantamount to ripping up the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and letting the whole world have nukes. NEVER going to happen.
As for whether America parks some nukes in Ukraine, that will only happen if Ukraine is in NATO. Which is never going to happen short of a total Russian collapse. We'd sooner see WWIII than Ukraine with nukes.
In any case, some day you people will grow up and become proper Darwinian Utilitarian Hobbesian Machiavellians.
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