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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 08-20-2023, 11:12 AM
 
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The main difference between Ukraine and Russia is that Russian targets are military which sometimes cause collateral damage(or are sent off course by Ukrainian air defenses). Ukrainian targets in Russia are pretty much never military. They're only intended to scare people. Although in most cases, it seems more aimed at embarrassment than fear.

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Were the grain warehouses also military targets?
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Old 08-20-2023, 11:41 AM
 
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The Washington Post is reporting the US intelligence and military officials are admitting in private that Ukraine's Spring Offensive is failing and will NOT achieve its core goals.

The US and UK devised the strategy for Ukraine knowing it would cause massive Ukrainian casualties, but hoping that if Ukraine stuck to it, it would pierce all the way through the Russian defensive lines, but the first of multiple primary lines has not yet been breached.

Nobody can say that Ukrainian soldiers weren't brave to attack such fortified Russian positions. There is always next year...and more billions of US aid.

https://archive.is/2023.08.18-001033...ive-melitopol/

https://news.antiwar.com/2023/08/18/...ive-a-failure/
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Old 08-20-2023, 12:56 PM
 
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LOOK at the barbarians Russia and Kremlin, shooting missiles in broad daylight, well knowing there would be civilians around in the daytime. Many here point to America's issues, but the US military targets military structures at night, to minimize civilian damage.

Russia is the aggressor here, invaded another country and is a terrorist state. It's too bad the US/Europe is not doing things quickly enough to get Russia out. But perhaps a slow and painful death to Russia is the mission.


Seven people, including a six-year-old child, were killed when a Russian missile struck a theatre in the northern Ukrainian city of Chernihiv, officials say.

Fifteen children were among 129 people wounded, the interior ministry said. At least 25 people were in hospital.
Among the victims were people who had been celebrating an Orthodox Christian holiday at church, the ministry said.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66554412

Yet Russian bots keep saying Russia does not target civilians. These Russian war crimes are being documented and hopefully the criminals responsible will be held accountable one day.

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Old 08-20-2023, 03:49 PM
 
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The Economist claims that Russia has only spent $67 Billion on the war or about 3% of Russia's GDP. The US has spent double the amount fighting Russia in Ukraine.

I get that cheap Russian lancets fly into expensive American hardware, but this can't be right? Russia, like all governments, aren't exactly honest brokers.
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Old 08-20-2023, 03:53 PM
 
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The Economist claims that Russia has only spent $67 Billion on the war or about 3% of Russia's GDP. The US has spent double the amount fighting Russia in Ukraine.

I get that cheap Russian lancets fly into expensive American hardware, but this can't be right? Russia, like all governments, aren't exactly honest brokers.
Russian lives come cheap
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Old 08-20-2023, 03:54 PM
 
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The Economist claims that Russia has only spent $67 Billion on the war or about 3% of Russia's GDP. The US has spent double the amount fighting Russia in Ukraine.

I get that cheap Russian lancets fly into expensive American hardware, but this can't be right? Russia, like all governments, aren't exactly honest brokers.
Russia GDP 2022: 2.24 trillion

US GDP 2022: 25.46 trillion
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Old 08-20-2023, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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NATO official suggests some rumblings on pushing a peace deal where Ukraine joins NATO and Russia annexes more land from Ukraine. Ukraine denies that they'd ever support such a deal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmV7WyxxCao

Our weapons industry needs to to keep the proxy war with Russia continuing until they can start up a war somewhere else. Our warmongers would also be very pi**ed to see the end of the war.
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Old 08-20-2023, 04:11 PM
 
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The drone strike at the Russian airbase took out at least one Tu-22M3, and possibly two. Russia has used this aircraft to launch missiles at Ukraine. The airbase is far from Ukraine. Local residents say they saw quadcopter drones. If that is the case, then Russian freedom fighters were behind the attack. This is a big loss for Russia, as this plane is expensive and Russia does not have a lot of them.


https://youtu.be/ggs5jZ3avzI
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Old 08-20-2023, 04:12 PM
 
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Our weapons industry needs to to keep the proxy war with Russia continuing until they can start up a war somewhere else. Our warmongers would also be very pi**ed to see the end of the war.
And Russia needs to keep up with war for what reasons? Think pull back and their grand conspiracy to trade Russian boys lives to prop up the US arms industry falls apart
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Old 08-20-2023, 06:06 PM
 
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And Russia needs to keep up with war for what reasons? Think pull back and their grand conspiracy to trade Russian boys lives to prop up the US arms industry falls apart
I'm not sure why Russia is do doing what they're doing (other thin Pupin is crazy) but I know our weapons industry is using this for profit. Our warmongers also are getting off with this war. I'm sad because thousands continue to die which makes our warmongers happy.
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