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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 08-21-2023, 08:00 PM
 
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Old 08-21-2023, 09:13 PM
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MacGregor has been wrong about everything in this war.

Watching him is a total waste of time.
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Old 08-21-2023, 09:25 PM
 
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Agreed.

Very good munition for trenches....will have those Ruskies running back to momma...
There is a Russian commander who witnessed his troops wiped out by cluster munitions and wrote about the situation to his superiors in Russia. His post detailed the terrifying impact cluster munitions had on his troops.

I won't re-post it here cause I don't want sympathies for the invaders.
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Old 08-21-2023, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISW Update 8/21/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...august-21-2023

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Aug 21, 2023 - Press ISW

Ukrainian forces made tactically significant gains in and east of Robotyne in western Zaporizhia Oblast on August 20-21 while continuing counteroffensive operations on the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast administrative border and in eastern Ukraine. Geolocated footage published on August 20 and August 21 indicates that Ukrainian forces reached the central part of Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv) and broke through some Russian defenses south of Mala Tokmachka (9km southeast of Orikhiv). Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar reported that Ukrainian forces succeeded in the direction southeast of Robotyne and south of Mala Tokmachka, and that Russian forces unsuccessfully counterattacked east of Robotyne. Malyar and Russian sources stated that fighting is ongoing in Robotyne. A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces captured some positions in a part of the Russian forward defensive lines after intensifying attacks on the Robotyne-Verbove (21km southeast of Orikhiv) line. Some Russian sources reported that Russian forces retreated from some positions near Verbove as part of their elastic defense, likely in response to a Ukrainian advance south of Mala Tokmachka. ISW previously assessed that Ukrainian attacks on Robotyne are tactically significant because a Ukrainian advance in the area may allow Ukrainian forces to begin operating past the densest Russian minefields. Ukrainian advances across fields in this area likely confirm this assessment. Persistent Ukrainian advances in the Robotyne area also likely aim to degrade Russian forces that have committed significant effort, resources, and personnel to hold positions around Robotyne.
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Old 08-21-2023, 09:46 PM
 
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There is a Russian commander who witnessed his troops wiped out by cluster munitions and wrote about the situation to his superiors in Russia. His post detailed the terrifying impact cluster munitions had on his troops.

I won't re-post it here cause I don't want sympathies for the invaders.
So do you approve the use of weapons considered illegal by most developed countries? I'll wait.

And as a follow up, did you also approve their use against Iraq and Serbia ?
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Old 08-22-2023, 12:50 AM
 
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MacGregor has been wrong about everything in this war.

Watching him is a total waste of time.

Nah, here he pretty much sums it all up in one minute, and he doesn't make any mistakes.

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...95536984228334
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Old 08-22-2023, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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update from the front...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzbSBUkHIA
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Old 08-22-2023, 03:56 AM
 
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Praise be, the war is over!

Just over 5 weeks ago, we were told Russia has 5 weeks max. Celebrate good times! May we have a lasting peace.
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Old 08-22-2023, 05:24 AM
 
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So do you approve the use of weapons considered illegal by most developed countries? I'll wait.

And as a follow up, did you also approve their use against Iraq and Serbia ?
Seeing as how Russia has been using them in Ukraine already, Russia cant really complain if they are used on their own troops.
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Old 08-22-2023, 08:50 AM
 
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Seeing as how Russia has been using them in Ukraine already, Russia cant really complain if they are used on their own troops.
No, but the "good guys" don't do that, right?

P.S. Btw, to my knowledge, this is the first documented use (and it's on civilians):

"At least five Uragan cluster munition rockets containing submunitions struck central Donetsk in early October 2014, based on evidence Human Rights Watch gathered. The evidence overwhelmingly indicates that these rockets were fired from government-held areas near the village of Novomykhailivka, southwest of Donetsk."

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/...20of%20Donetsk.
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