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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.50%
No 245 50.94%
Unsure 46 9.56%
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Austin
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The problem in this day and age is that there are many ways to get information and if your propaganda is wildly out of step with reality then even the loyalists will roll their eyes.

Additionally, much of the propaganda is for internal consumption and frankly I'd think a lot of Russians are used to a certain amount of BS from their govt. media.
I can well imagine that Russians might be far more discerning and skeptical of the heavy-handed oafish Kremlin propaganda that doesn't match the reality they perceive. Sadly it's the outsiders (us) who are more likely to be swayed by it. We have a class of people, not entirely party affinitized but largely so, who due to their herd following nature are predisposed to believing what they're told. I see it all the time on this stupid board. People jawing away having what they think are conversations with obvious Chinese and Russian bots. Unworldly, unintelligent, easily duped, who knows ... How do they fall for it when it's so obvious they're talking to a human infomercial? "I've come to reconsider China's merits." quoth one notoriously obnoxious local bot who I'm certain you know of. Choking back vomit I watch poster after poster earnestly engaging these slimy entities in reasoned discussion.
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:45 AM
 
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Hard to take this guy seriously when just about every video is about how Ukraine is winning and retaking land, but practically no videos about Russian victories how they lost territory to begin with.
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:46 AM
 
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China is the one who is "aligning" with neo-Nazis. Putin is the closest thing to a fascist leader in the world today.

So we're just going to ignore this right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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Hard to take this guy seriously when just about every video is about how Ukraine is winning and retaking land, but practically no videos about Russian victories how they lost territory to begin with.
Inconvenient truths have to be ignored because they are not part of the required narrative. The narrative does not have to follow reality.
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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Hard to take this guy seriously when just about every video is about how Ukraine is winning and retaking land, but practically no videos about Russian victories how they lost territory to begin with.
He does report territorial losses, I have seen it.

He's a Ukrainian patriot, one should expect him to be cheerful with good news for his country and somber with bad news for his country. That's what he does. He doesn't hide his preferences.

But he definitely does report when Russians capture towns and countryside in Ukraine. He reports on the entire front. Territorial losses from his perspective are Russian victories.
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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Hard to take this guy seriously when just about every video is about how Ukraine is winning and retaking land, but practically no videos about Russian victories how they lost territory to begin with.
You haven't watched him for very long. Just weeks ago he was describing Russia's daily advances.
He's a Ukrainian airline pilot. His information sources seem to be very good.
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:58 AM
 
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So we're just going to ignore this right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc
The Ukrainians do certainly have Nazis or Neo-Nazis. They dress, talk and admit as such. That is plain to see.

That said, they may be the good guys in this conflict since they are fighting Russians, who are the purest form of evil. Right?
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Hard to take this guy seriously when just about every video is about how Ukraine is winning and retaking land, but practically no videos about Russian victories how they lost territory to begin with.
drip drip drip ... keep those doubts alive in people's minds. Russia will ultimately win. It's hopeless for Ukraine. Don't donate any more money to Javelins for Jesus ... it's probably a waste. Nah ... every time you post I'm gonna buy Ukraine another control surface for a Javelin that's going to blow the turret off of one of your buddies T-90s.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:06 AM
 
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The Ukrainians do certainly have Nazis or Neo-Nazis. They dress, talk and admit as such. That is plain to see.

..........
No one really cars about Nazis. They don't even have a country.


On the subject of The Crimean Bridge and Crimea, Russians have been warned by Ukrainian foreign minister to get out. September 9:

“And each of those who came there as an invader should either prepare for the worst or, while there is an opportunity, safely leave for the territory of Russia,........“You’ll be deported from here, regardless of whether you have any property, whether you have bought a land plot, whether you have registered or not, it doesn’t matter,” he said.
“You illegally crossed the Ukrainian border, so you’ll be deported, all together, all 800,000 or a million people. And we won’t have any problems with this.”

Strong words. If the bridge is open, he is saying, it should be used.
Evidently, Ukraine does not want to lose the momentum they have in this war.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:08 AM
 
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A weak Russia is a plus for China.
Bears repeating.
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