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Old 05-25-2022, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
What’s your master plan to remove the hundreds of millions of guns currently in circulation?
Seems to me the shooters in many sensational mass shootings where victims are random tend to be teens/ young adults who recently legally acquired the firearms and did so in anticipation of the big event.

 
Old 05-25-2022, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Seems to me the shooters in many sensational mass shootings where victims are random tend to be teens/ young adults who recently legally acquired the firearms and did so in anticipation of the big event.
Seems to me that in just about every one of those cases there were warning bells that were ignored by the people who were supposed to be paying attention to them.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I'm a teacher of 22 years and have a conceal carry license. I would gladly take up the call to be armed in school if allowed. I have taken enough classes but would be willing to do more training if asked. By Illinois law I can't bring my firearm into the school so I keep it in my vehicle. Doesn't do me or anyone else inside the school any good if an armed intruder were to enter. Luckily we have an armed police officer in the building otherwise we be sitting ducks just like those kids and teachers in that Texas school.
Then if someone breaks into your vehicle and steals your gun they'll be screaming bloody murder over that? You're kind of in a no win situation, I feel for you. That really sucks.

GUN FREE ZONES DO NOT WORK PERIOD!!!! You really have to wonder who comes up with these asinine gun laws and how anyone could support them? People who lawfully carry firearms are not the problem. All these laws accomplish is to criminalize a basic right to a viable means of self defense.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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If you don't trust them to carry a firearm, you shouldn't be trusting them with your children.
Well I do. Not the same skill set.
I wouldn't trust a policeman educating my children.
Teachers have been trained - have a required masters - in education. Spent at least 6 years full time learning how to teach.
Not so much with firing a gun.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 11:02 AM
 
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What if its the teacher that is the next nutjob?

It's all about %. 99.9% of all gun owners are law abiding citizens. I rather take 99.9% than not at all. Life is not 100% guaranteed but I take 99.9% of gun owners that won't kill me and will protect me while I'm in their building.



That's a lot better than politicians making laws they can't enforce and relying on the police to save you 24/7.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 11:04 AM
 
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It's all about %. 99.9% of all gun owners are law abiding citizens. I rather take 99.9% than not at all. Life is not 100% guaranteed but I take 99.9% of gun owners that won't kill me and will protect me while I'm in their building.



That's a lot better than politicians making laws they can't enforce and relying on the police to save you 24/7.
Just don't believe 99% of all gun owners are law abiding.
How did you come up with that number?
Think of all the small business owners who own guns to protect their business who cheat on taxes or hire illegal workers or pay less than legal wages or misrepresent their products. That class of gun owners alone are doing lots of things that are not exactly law abiding.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 11:04 AM
 
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What if its the teacher that is the next nutjob?
What if that doesn’t happen? What if…..
 
Old 05-25-2022, 11:05 AM
 
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You are definitely not your average teacher. Most teachers that I've known -- mine and now my daughter's -- have never held a gun in their hand in their entire lives.

I agree with the poster who pointed out that many teachers, perhaps the majority, are not keen on becoming expert gun handlers. I can think of a few who I wouldn't want to handle a gun (ineptitude, lack of skill, poor eyesight, poor coordination, indecisiveness, easily scared, etc). This proposition esentially calls for teachers to be trained as paramilitary personnel.
No it's not as if every single teacher would be trained or should be, but someone in a school who is comfortable with this such as the Principal and at least one more staff member should be trained. If we are responsible for the safety of children then we need all the tools at our disposal to be able to keep them safe. If no staff member in a school is comfortable then either get a full time resource officer in the school or hire private armed security guards. Right now the "gun free zones" in place around schools is obviously not working.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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Radical idea I know, but how about better gun laws like the civilised world?
Which gun laws do bad guys adhere to? Which civilized world and gun laws you referring to?
 
Old 05-25-2022, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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If you don't trust them to carry a firearm, you shouldn't be trusting them with your children.
Great response!!!

I feel the same way about those in the government that wish to abolish the 2nd Amendment along with those that vote for and support them. If they can't trust those of us who lawfully possess firearms? Then how in the hell could we ever trust them? FJB

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"There are only a few laws in history that are universally applicable. One of these is that the ruling classes do not want the peasantry armed. They will do what they can to convince you that to be armed is dangerous. They will attempt to do this while they themselves are surrounded by armed body guards. Idiots will not notice this hypocrisy and sycophants will ignore it. Fools will surrender their arms in the name of "safety". They will insensibly surrender their liberty at the same time. This is how slaves are made".
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The debate over gun control can be summed up thusly: Those of us who don't like guns in the hands of our non-costumed brethren, will vote to ensure men with guns, under the guise of the "law," will come and take the property that is rightfully yours, killing you should you resist our will sufficiently.

This is what we call "violence by-proxy" and makes the voter for violence no less culpable in the extortion and death that will ensue.

As Stefan Molyneux correctly observed; if a person claims they are non-violent and are for “gun control” they are not truly anti-gun nor are they non-violent people - because the reality is that guns and violence will be needed to disarm innocent law abiding people.

This is because those people who claim they are anti-gun and anti-violence, who claim to support “gun control,” will need the credible threat of police violence and the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns should they resist the attempt to further centralize their monopoly on violence.

So those who claim to be anti-gun and anti-violence are really very pro-gun and very pro-violence. They ultimately believe that only government officials (which are of course portrayed as reliable, honest, moral, and virtuous) should be allowed to have guns. This obviously flies in the face of reality as the 20th century has proven once and for all.

It’s important to note that those who advocate this type of centralized monopoly of violence do so as cowards, because it’s not their lives on the line, rather they advocate others using violence on their behalf in
order to force their misguided views on innocent people who wish to do nothing other than protect themselves and other innocents.

There is no such thing as "gun control," there is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political class and the forces they control which, as recent history has proven is a murderous nightmare for the peace loving, disenfranchised, and disarmed citizenry.--Ron Danielowski
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