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View Poll Results: Do women need to take more responsiblity for their sexual health?
Yes 192 75.29%
No 59 23.14%
Not Sure 4 1.57%
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Old 08-16-2022, 12:06 PM
 
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LOL. I have never been to PP as there is not one in my vicinity. I have never had an abortion. So I cant speak to the procedure for having an abortion at PP.

I did just relate to you my experience of talking to my OBGYN about my pregnancy and talking to a doctor at a facility that did perform abortions. As well I know I talk to my doctor about all my medical concerns. That does not mean they are there when or if I go to a specialist or am admitted to the hospital for a prcedure.

So have you been to PP (arent you in Canada?) and have you had an abortion. If not I dont see how you can speak to that eigher.
And are you calling me a liar?
You know I am not permitted to answer that per TOS.

There are 600,000+ abortions at PP.

They do not employ OBGYNs for intake.

Do the math re "Abortion is a decision between a woman and HER DOCTOR" propaganda. Is it TRUE or FALSE?

 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:11 PM
 
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AND, if a man has a desire to have sex with the woman, why doesn't he take precautions and ALWAYS have a condom in his wallet? IF he never wants kids, why doesn't he get neutered?! Why should it always be up to the woman?
It isn't. But I'll tell you what... if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, why in the hell ISN'T she using birth control or insisting that her male partner do so? 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women voluntarily participating in unprotected sex, by their own admission (Guttmacher). They KNEW what they were doing, KNEW they didn't want a bay, and FAILED to use birth control anyway. Over 914,000 babies are killed each year just for that reason.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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It's a human life. Why kill a healthy developing baby in a healthy pregnancy? What's the medical and ethical justification for that?
Its a potential human life. At that stage it is a living human embryo. Just like the ones fertilized in Petri dishes and test tubes, frozen or implanted into the womb then plucked out. Even as a fetus there is as much potential for it to not develop into a living baby.

There are apparently medical and ethical justifications. Just like your justification to abort the embryo/fetus of a rape victim, or selectively reduce the number of embryos in IVF pregnancies.
In other times and cultures it was justified to end a pregnancy for the good of the tribe/community for population control, for paternal reasons (wrong father, infidelity). The ethics of abortion is dependent on the political climate. That is acceptable so why do you insist random women you dont know provide you with a medical or ethical justification for choosing to end her pregnancy?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:14 PM
 
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What makes you think women killing their babies just for the sake of their own convenience even take the time to consult their MD/health care provider about abortion? The vast majority of them (95%) know damned well they screwed up by not using birth control and have no interest in having their irresponsibility shoved in their face by having to "consult" with a health care professional (of whatever flavor) before killing what they consider to be "just a mistake" and not the human life it actually is.
I'm sure some of them don't. I did not have a long discussion with the doctor who performed my abortion, although I did have a heart-to-heart with my perinatalogist, who was a family friend, along with a whole lot of other people, who helped me work through my concerns. But, then again, my situation was complex.

In any case, I think some of you are wrongly caught up in thinking that a doctor who performs a procedure, and abortion is a procedure, must also be a mental health counselor, and that's simply not the case. Counseling may be necessary, but obtaining it is ultimately the responsibility of the patient. That being said, if a doctor believes that a patient is not able to consent of her own free will for whatever reason, the doctor is obligated to refuse to complete the procedure until she is.

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Old 08-16-2022, 12:16 PM
 
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Its a potential human life. At that stage it is a living human embryo. Just like the ones fertilized in Petri dishes and test tubes, frozen or implanted into the womb then plucked out. Even as a fetus there is as much potential for it to not develop into a living baby.

There are apparently medical and ethical justifications. Just like your justification to abort the embryo/fetus of a rape victim, or selectively reduce the number of embryos in IVF pregnancies.
In other times and cultures it was justified to end a pregnancy for the good of the tribe/community for population control, for paternal reasons (wrong father, infidelity). The ethics of abortion is dependent on the political climate. That is acceptable so why do you insist random women you dont know provide you with a medical or ethical justification for choosing to end her pregnancy?
A potential life is not alive. Potential means something does not exist. If it was a potential life? The woman would not be pregnant. Because life would not exist.

A human is a person. By definition.

Human.

Abortions kill humans. No way around it.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:22 PM
 
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A potential life is not alive. Potential means something does not exist. If it was a potential life? The woman would not be pregnant. Because life would not exist.

A human is a person. By definition.

Human.

Abortions kill humans. No way around it.
And what of it? Is that your complete argument?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:23 PM
 
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That's a scientific belief, not a Christian one.

You can do whatever the h-ll you want to yourself. Just don't go around killing other people because you feel like it.

Again, not a Christian belief.

Thanks for playing, though, it's always tedious to rock out the same tired idiotic argument to justify killing other people for convenience, isn't it.
No, it’s a Christian belief.

Let’s go with your philosophy. Is a woman supposed to sacrifice her life for the fetus? The fetus is more important, therefore the woman has no say so what happens to her body?

Abortion is healthcare. There are many, many times it is done for health reasons.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:25 PM
 
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No, it’s a Christian belief.

Let’s go with your philosophy. Is a woman supposed to sacrifice her life for the fetus? The fetus is more important, therefore the woman has no say so what happens to her body?

Abortion is healthcare. There are many, many times it is done for health reasons.
Who said a woman had to sacrifice her life?

I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It isn't. But I'll tell you what... if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, why in the hell ISN'T she using birth control or insisting that her male partner do so? 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women voluntarily participating in unprotected sex, by their own admission (Guttmacher). They KNEW what they were doing, KNEW they didn't want a bay, and FAILED to use birth control anyway. Over 914,000 babies are killed each year just for that reason.
How is it any of your business to worry about the above every day about how other women are conducting their sex lives, unless you're a professional counselor hired to make it your business?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:44 PM
 
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Psssst .... People don't always have sex to procreate.
How do you think 3.4 million unintended pregnancies per year are happening?
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