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Old 08-16-2022, 11:51 AM
 
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Aren't all medical issues between the patient and their doctor? It was just pointed out to you that abortion is a decision made between a woman and the doctor. No one is saying it is a long emotional heart to heart.

I was not sure I wanted to continue my first pregnancy. I made this known to my OBGYN. He did not perform abortions and encouraged adoption. He gave me options and referrals to a facility that did abortions and to adoption services. That was a decision/conversation between me and my doctor, no one else. That is the basis of HIPAA.
In the end I chose to continue my pregnancy and keep my baby. I made the ultimate decision.
What is it that is hard to understand?

Those 600,000+ women who get abortions at PP

DO NOT TALK TO A DOCTOR


PP DOES NOT HAVE THEM ON STAFF FOR INTAKE

So the "between a woman and HER DOCTOR" abortion propaganda is a LIE.

Similar to Santa brought all your presents!! Well, no. Santa doesn't exist. So he didn't bring the presents.

Do people not understand what the word LIE means?

 
Old 08-16-2022, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Every human is developing every second of their life from CONCEPTION. An adolescent human develops into an adult human. A middle age human develops into an elderly human.

Abortions kill humans.

When someone dies, there is one less human in the world.

Likewise--

Every time there is an abortion, there is one less human in the world.

Because abortions kill humans.
Yes we know that is what you believe. In the US you have a right to believe that.

In the US, other people have an equal right to believe differently.


CHOICE!!!
 
Old 08-16-2022, 11:54 AM
 
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What is it that is hard to understand?

Those 600,000+ women who get abortions at PP

DO NOT TALK TO A DOCTOR


PP DOES NOT HAVE THEM ON STAFF FOR INTAKE

So the "between a woman and HER DOCTOR" abortion propaganda is a LIE.
Why does a doctor need to be present at intake? Does your gastroenterologist need to be at intake to have a long heart-to-heart with you before performing your colonoscopy?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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Every human is developing every second of their life from CONCEPTION. An adolescent human develops into an adult human. A middle age human develops into an elderly human.

Abortions kill humans.

When someone dies, there is one less human in the world.

Likewise--

Every time there is an abortion, there is one less human in the world.

Because abortions kill humans.
They also say every human begins dying from the moment of birth.
That human embryo or fetus your discussing was never in the world therefore it is not true that there is one less human in the world every time there is an abortion.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 11:57 AM
 
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Yes we know that is what you believe. In the US you have a right to believe that.

In the US, other people have an equal right to believe differently. CHOICE!!!
It's not what I believe, it's what's true.

You believe that a pregnant woman does not carry a human in her uterus?

What is in there then?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 11:57 AM
 
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Sorry about that. Let my frustration get the best of me. I've now redacted the post. That being said, nothing you have written indicates that you have a clue about what women talk about with their health care providers. I've already told you that my mother is a retired OB. I have heard a career's worth of stories from her about what she dealt with on a daily basis. Happy stories and those that would break your heart! Women do talk to their doctors. Men might hide things -- I wouldn't know -- but women generally do not.
What makes you think women killing their babies just for the sake of their own convenience even take the time to consult their MD/health care provider about abortion? The vast majority of them (95%) know damned well they screwed up by not using birth control and have no interest in having their irresponsibility shoved in their face by having to "consult" with a health care professional (of whatever flavor) before killing what they consider to be "just a mistake" and not the human life it actually is.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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What is it that is hard to understand?

Those 600,000+ women who get abortions at PP

DO NOT TALK TO A DOCTOR


PP DOES NOT HAVE THEM ON STAFF FOR INTAKE

So the "between a woman and HER DOCTOR" abortion propaganda is a LIE.

Similar to Santa brought all your presents!! Well, no. Santa doesn't exist. So he didn't bring the presents.

Do people not understand what the word LIE means?
Why are you getting so hung up on marketing wording? I wonder if PP even says that anymore. They probably talk about counseling services these days.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Exactly, an embryo is a stage in human development. It is not however, a baby.
It's a human life. Why kill a healthy developing baby in a healthy pregnancy? What's the medical and ethical justification for that?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:01 PM
 
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What is it that is hard to understand?

Those 600,000+ women who get abortions at PP

DO NOT TALK TO A DOCTOR


PP DOES NOT HAVE THEM ON STAFF FOR INTAKE

So the "between a woman and HER DOCTOR" abortion propaganda is a LIE.

Similar to Santa brought all your presents!! Well, no. Santa doesn't exist. So he didn't bring the presents.

Do people not understand what the word LIE means?
LOL. I have never been to PP as there is not one in my vicinity. I have never had an abortion. So I cant speak to the procedure for having an abortion at PP.

I did just relate to you my experience of talking to my OBGYN about my pregnancy and talking to a doctor at a facility that did perform abortions. As well I know I talk to my doctor about all my medical concerns. That does not mean they are there when or if I go to a specialist or am admitted to the hospital for a prcedure.

So have you been to PP (arent you in Canada?) and have you had an abortion. If not I dont see how you can speak to that eigher.
And are you calling me a liar?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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What makes you think women killing their babies just for the sake of their own convenience even take the time to consult their MD/health care provider about abortion?
Because when you see a doctor about a pregnancy, you're consulting with that doctor.

When you see a doctor about a pregnancy (or anything else), that doctor is YOUR doctor, even if it's the first time you've seen that particular doctor.

None of this is that complicated, really.

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Why are you getting so hung up on marketing wording? I wonder if PP even says that anymore. They probably talk about counseling services these days.
Here's a link to clear up that issue, but I doubt any of these folks who are shouting "LIES!!!1!" will bother to read thoroughly:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion
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