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View Poll Results: Do women need to take more responsiblity for their sexual health?
Yes 192 75.29%
No 59 23.14%
Not Sure 4 1.57%
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Old 08-16-2022, 01:20 PM
 
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How is it any of your business to worry about the above every day about how other women are conducting their sex lives, unless you're a professional counselor hired to make it your business?
I don't give a crap what anyone does with their sex life as long as they don't kill another human just because they couldn't be bothered to use birth control.

 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:25 PM
 
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95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women voluntarily participating in unprotected sex, by their own admission.
Do you have a copy of the actual survey? I can't find a copy, but I've read nothing that says that it asks if they voluntarily participated in voluntary sex. I think that's an enormous assumption on your part.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:26 PM
 
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This is such a garbage statistic when presented this way. You say "voluntarily participating," like it's all fun and games, but that is often not the case. Pregnancy coercion and birth control sabotage are real and they result in unwanted pregnancies, and that's not even considering coercion just to have sex.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...tive%20control.
Are you blind? 95% of women with unintended pregnancies ADMIT that they were either NOT using birth control at all, or failed to use it consistently each and every time they had male/female sex (Guttmacher).
 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:29 PM
 
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Absolutely incorrect. It's a human life. Period. And that's easily proven so by just looking at those who have been convicted of homicide/murder and sent to prison for killing a child in utero. Even the federal law refers to them as "child" and "children."
It is alive. A life is when one is born.

An embryo or fetus is a potential life. You admitted it is a stage of human development. Many things can happen and do between conception and birth. Over one million known/documented miscarriages each year or 1/4 of all embryo. That is known miscarriages. Recent studies indicate it is more like 1/2 or 50% of all conceptions as most women never know they were even pregnant.
A human embryo has the potential to become a human baby.

You can believe whatever you choose but stop trying to demand that others deny science, logic, human development, and the legal system and telling them they are incorrect because they dont hold your unfounded beliefs.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:33 PM
 
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Do you have a copy of the actual survey? I can't find a copy, but I've read nothing that says that it asks if they voluntarily participated in voluntary sex. I think that's an enormous assumption on your part.
Yes. I've posted it many times. Here it is, again... Figure 1.3, here, pay particular attention to the pie chart on the right and the definitions in the article's text and the footnotes:

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/def...lth-reform.pdf
 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:36 PM
 
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A life is when one is born.
What happens to an aborted baby? Does it continue to grow and develop after the abortion? Or does it die? It dies. Because it was a human life and abortion killed it.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:49 PM
 
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Yes. I've posted it many times. Here it is, again... Figure 1.3, here, pay particular attention to the pie chart on the right and the definitions in the article's text and the footnotes:

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/def...lth-reform.pdf
This appears to rely on data that is about 10+ years old. Do you have any up-to-date data?
 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:53 PM
 
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It is alive. A life is when one is born.

An embryo or fetus is a potential life. You admitted it is a stage of human development. Many things can happen and do between conception and birth. Over one million known/documented miscarriages each year or 1/4 of all embryo. That is known miscarriages. Recent studies indicate it is more like 1/2 or 50% of all conceptions as most women never know they were even pregnant.
A human embryo has the potential to become a human baby.

You can believe whatever you choose but stop trying to demand that others deny science, logic, human development, and the legal system and telling them they are incorrect because they dont hold your unfounded beliefs.
Is it human? Yes.

Human means person.

I have a potential million dollars. Can you rob me of it? Nope. Why? Because it doesn't exist.

If it were 'potential life" you couldn't do anything to it. Because it wouldn't exist. You couldn't have an abortion because there would be nothing to abort.

People need to start checking dictionaries for words that they don't understand.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 01:59 PM
 
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What happens to an aborted baby? Does it continue to grow and develop after the abortion? Or does it die? It dies. Because it was a human life and abortion killed it.
It is amazing how this point continues to be trotted out.

The epitome of cognitive dissonance.

If there is nothing there that is alive, there is nothing to terminate. So no abortion is needed.
 
Old 08-16-2022, 02:05 PM
 
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Is it human? Yes.

Human means person.

I have a potential million dollars. Can you rob me of it? Nope. Why? Because it doesn't exist.

If it were 'potential life" you couldn't do anything to it. Because it wouldn't exist. You couldn't have an abortion because there would be nothing to abort.

People need to start checking dictionaries for words that they don't understand.
And there it is. I figured the personhood argument would find its way into this discussion eventually. Sigh.
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