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pedophiles and amputation fetishists are 'different' too. why should anyone teach that they be accepted?
Once again lumping LGBT in with incredibly unhealthy sexual deviances. IMHO, there's room for argument that transexuality and gender dysmorphia is a socially influenced phenomenon, but homo/bisexuality? Yeah, leave people alone. Consenting adults can sleep with whoever they want, you have no say. Maybe you can file a complaint with the Ministry of Sexual Morality?
Obligatory: I'm 100% against puberty blockers and influencing children to be anything they are naturally not (with exception of legitimate endocrine disorders etc). I need to clarify, because you like to lump things together.
Big brother-ism at its finest. Either that or those defunding libraries are afraid of people that can read. Or maybe they have secret fetishes and afraid they cant resist checking out such books themselves, if they are available.
Seriously if you dont want to read a book you disagree with, well gee, just dont read it. If no demand from anybody in the community, and it will get culled at the next library fund raiser book sale. Seems simple enough. Course if you have a cultural agenda, one universal method is to ban mention of any ideas you dont like. Its just "Fascism 101" beginners level.
I suspect next item will be to completely ban the internet in public libraries. Cant have people exposed to all those radical ideas.
I wonder if that library also had copies of Mein Kampf, Catcher in the Rye, Huckleberry Finn, Animal Farm, To Kill a Mockingbird, Lord of the Flies, the Satanic Verses by Salmon Rushdie, or Dr. Seuss?
Seems there's some leftist hypocrisy going on here.
I'm not for banning/burning books, but by the same token, the alphabet homosexual books should be behind the counter like hard core porn mags at a gas station.
What does that have to do with the OP's link? Unless you want to go on deflecting ...
what is the "story" of the link/situation in a small Michigan town then?
I personally disagree with removing a book that was in the adult section (and thus presumably unavailable to minors unless approved by their parents).
I do wonder what makes "Gender *****" so special that seemingly every library in the country has a copy. I mean, it's not any scientific reflection on transgenderism or homosexuality, right?
It was published in 2019.
"It increasingly entered the collections of high school and middle school libraries after receiving an Alex Award in 2020, an award given by the American Library Association to "books written for adults that have special appeal to young adults ages 12 through 18" (wiki)
So, who and why does a group decide a new book from a first time author/cartoonist that was written for adults (by the author's own claim) is appropriate or would have "special appeal to 12 year olds"? .
And why should a community be forced to pay additional money to operate the library - that's what this was, a tax INCREASE (per the article) to fund the library? Why is a community required to continue relying on the (professional?) opinion of an individual?
Do the woke librarian types not consider "you know, I'm not sure parents would approve of this book being available in youth sections or in school libraries?" what they are "telling" the community is "I know what's good for your child better than you do." And folks are not going to accept that.
Why not just move such books to the Adult Only section of the library.
Some books are restricted by age in many libraries and unless your library card shows that you are old enough, you can not borrow such books or works.
Problem solved.
which most rational people would agree with.
Sure, there's going to be some folks so opposed to LGBTQ that they will fight any mention of it - regardless of if it's aimed at minors or not.
Conversely, we have some folks - and especially those who make the choices initially - that want to so "normalize" everything LGBTQ that they:
a. gave this particular book an award because THEY (librarians) determined it would be of value to 12-17 year olds.
b. thus encouraging their fellow librarians to add the book to their collections.
c. including then putting the book where minors had ready access to it.
d. some were in public libraries, and some were in school libraries (including middle school)
e. some even felt so emboldened as to highlight the book in a display case at the entrance of a public library, thus possibly "influencing" any child who entered to desire to see the book (it's got a cartoon on the cover).
Because ... they want to essentially force everyone to agree with their position on the issue. They WANT parents to be forced into conversations and positions that perhaps the parents don't want.
They want to defund an entire public library over some of the books they carry, how exactly is this a representative government?
there’s lots of things that have consequences when you vote. you don’t always get what’s right but the people have spoken. that’s the result of activist librarians pushing things on a community they don’t understand
I am conceptually familiar with some of the books given a middle school teacher in my district put some of the books on the summer recommended reading list. It has exploded at the District board meeting where a few parents have chosen to read out loud excerpts from some of the books. The language / content is not suitable for the board meeting, but available to minors.
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One of the particular books contain images in comic book form of two males engaging in oral sex.
Most people would agree the Kama Sutra or Joy of Sex ( yeah, I am dating myself) is not appropriate reading for 11-12 year olds. Why then is a book depicting oral sex between two males?
Thinking exposure is more likely to contribute to homophobia than acceptance.
The situation is about clear as mud. One article says it was a proposed increase in taxes for the library, the above implies it was essentially an annual vote on the funds to operate the library. I'd say there's a big difference, and it seems very odd for a town to subject all of its functions to an annual vote on the tax rate.
there’s lots of things that have consequences when you vote. you don’t always get what’s right but the people have spoken. that’s the result of activist librarians pushing things on a community they don’t understand
and if that representative government chooses to restrict access to books, they are just as guilty as the liberals that try to do the same thing, no? Also how are activist librarians pushing things on a community they don’t understand? It’s a public library, if you want to rent out a book, then rent it out, if you don’t, then don’t.
It’s not an elementary classroom, no one is forced to go there.
I have no idea why anyone would insist that the book Gender ***** must remain on library shelves. Buy it on Amazon. It’s pornographic.
I personally don’t care if it exists in the adult section of the public library but it is very controversial for good reason. It’s not surprising that there used be push back over it being in taxpayer funded libraries.
It's their library, funded by their tax dollars. They asked the librarians to remove one particular book, and they refused. In other words, they refused to follow the wishes of those who pay their salaries. .
What about the people who didn't object? Do their opinions not matter?
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"Free Speach" doesn't cover someone else's children. That's for their parents to decide, not Leftists, or their Politicians.
Parents always are free to restrict what their children read.
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"Deflection"? It's related to the topic since Trans Activist have been doing reading time sessions at Libraries.
Except that none of that happened at the library in question. Your rant is irrelevant to this issue.
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Why not just move such books to the Adult Only section of the library.
According to the OP's link, the books were first in an adult only section, and then behind the counter. That wasn't good enough for the nannies.
According to the OP's link, the books were first in an adult only section, and then behind the counter. That wasn't good enough for the nannies.
As many people have said, it seems that would be the better solution. It might even be a majority of folks that have posted.
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It's their library, funded by their tax dollars. They asked the librarians to remove one particular book, and they refused. In other words, they refused to follow the wishes of those who pay their salaries. .
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What about the people who didn't object? Do their opinions not matter?
Do rich people object to their tax rates? Does their opinion matter?
A certain # of people objected to the book(s). There's likely a lot we don't know between the first objection and the millage vote reported. I think it's a reasonable guess the librarians strenuously objected on principle and pushed back.
A big part of the problem in such a situation is whether we can acknowledge the possible validity of someone else's principles.
It's likely the librarians and their Board of Directors largely dismissed the voiced concerns of the citizens/voters/taxpayers. And at an opportunity the way "democracy" generally works, the "get rid of them crowd" had a more successful message than the "keep the books crowd" ... and the voting results show it.
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