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Ignoring the whole 'birther' movement there, aren't ya?
And your boy Trump starting toting *that* water back in 2011.
The birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton supporters in 2008 and Trump used it for politics as a private citizen. After Obama released his long-form birth certificate on April 27, 2011, Trump said "I am really honored and I am really proud, that I was able to do something that nobody else could do." On October 24, 2012, Trump offered to donate five million dollars to the charity of Obama's choice in return for the publication of his college and passport applications before October 31, 2012. (politics)
On September 16, 2016, as the Republican Party presidential nominee, Trump conceded that "President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period."
Now when are Hillary and the Democrats going to admit Trump was the legitimate President and the Russian conspiracies were a hoax? Ignoring your team there, aren't you?
Yes many states increased mail-in ballots, mostly older and at risk both republican and democrat but there was no massive fraud to support Trump's claims. We have had multiple audits and hand recounts, one of the most scrutinized elections in our history. If someone is still claiming the election was illegitimate it's not based on facts. You can't just say there was massive fraud because mail-in ballots increased during a pandemic. Besides Trump even claimed the 2016 election was rigged, also without any proof, that is why he created a voter fraud commission which died on the vine.
Besides he never contested the down ballot races, was fraud only in the presidential election?
If there were massive frauds in government aid during the pandemic because the government (state and federal) were short and weren't prepared to handle the mass demands and couldn't verify under the restrictions, what makes you think there wasn't fraud for absent tee ballots that more than doubled than 2016 with less government staff?
The government wasn't prepared for anything during the pandemic and shut down. If they couldn't verify unemployment aid application that resulted in billions of dollars in fraud because they were just sending checks without verifying what makes you think they were verifying absent tee ballots of that magnitude?
You think the government in power will admit anything wrong to put in question the election that put them in power and the establishment?
It is unlikely that the GOP as it existed even as late as 2012 will ever return again.
Fine by me. I have little doubt Clinton would have beaten all other Rep candidates in 2016. Trump won by tossing the political playbook out the window and refusing to allow the MSM to play umpire. I'm glad to see Rep. politicians like DeSantis have taken note.
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Yes many states increased mail-in ballots, mostly older and at risk both republican and democrat but there was no massive fraud to support Trump's claims. We have had multiple audits and hand recounts, one of the most scrutinized elections in our history. If someone is still claiming the election was illegitimate it's not based on facts. You can't just say there was massive fraud because mail-in ballots increased during a pandemic. Besides Trump even claimed the 2016 election was rigged, also without any proof, that is why he created a voter fraud commission which died on the vine. Besides he never contested the down ballot races, was fraud only in the presidential election?
If there were massive frauds in government aid during the pandemic because the government (state and federal) were short and weren't prepared to handle the mass demands and couldn't verify under the restrictions, what makes you think there wasn't fraud for absent tee ballots that more than doubled than 2016 with less government staff?
The government wasn't prepared for anything during the pandemic and shut down. If they couldn't verify unemployment aid application that resulted in billions of dollars in fraud because they were just sending checks without verifying what makes you think they were verifying absent tee ballots of that magnitude?
You think the government in power will admit anything wrong to put in question the election that put them in power and the establishment?
Where do you get that the government was short, why couldn't they handle the mail-in ballots. Just about every state processed the mail-in ballots, the large claims of fraud were the conspiracy theories relative to voting machines.
Fine by me. I have little doubt Clinton would have beaten all other Rep candidates in 2016. Trump won by tossing the political playbook out the window and refusing to allow the MSM to play umpire. I'm glad to see Rep. politicians like DeSantis have taken note.
Well we should all be terrified of what the evil left is trying to do the same but far far far worse trying to shove Socialism/Marxism/Communism on us ....
Haha! Please cite ONE example of marxism/communism that Democrats are trying to "shove" on us.
And if the candidate had said she "really won" and that the election was rigged and encouraged people everywhere not to accept the results we could have had turmoil. She didn't do that.
I quoted her elsewhere on this ... directly to you ... and she encouraged her supporters to accept the results and cherish the peaceful transfer of power. Trump didn't do that. He wasn't decent enough.
THAT is the difference.
The difference is many on the Left and in the MSM did it for her. Which is what "Not my President" was all about. But yes her speech was lovely.
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More blather.
She did the right thing, she conceded. This immediately took the wind out of the sails of people who didn't like the results. That is what a concession speech is supposed to do, that is what it always does, and that is why losers in the race have always made those statements: for the good of the country. It is quite literally a patriotic duty.
That is what Trump should have done. That he failed to do so was deliberate, he intended to sow discord! Trump had every intention of interfering in the transfer of power. He wasn't just whining like a little crybaby, he planned obstruction to the transfer of power. Then he initiated the plan.
In over 200 years of our republic no one has ever tried that before. No one.
That's criminal behavior right there ... that's treason.
Clinton claims Trump is obsessed with her. Why? Clinton says there were a "bunch of reasons" the election turned out the way it did (including mistakes she made herself.)
She believes Trump knows he's an illegitimate president and therefore has a guilty conscious. Or as much of a guilty conscious a corrupt human tornado can have.
She did the right thing, she conceded. This immediately took the wind out of the sails of people who didn't like the results. That is what a concession speech is supposed to do, that is what it always does, and that is why losers in the race have always made those statements: for the good of the country. It is quite literally a patriotic duty.
That is what Trump should have done. That he failed to do so was deliberate, he intended to sow discord! Trump had every intention of interfering in the transfer of power. He wasn't just whining like a little crybaby, he planned obstruction to the transfer of power. Then he initiated the plan.
In over 200 years of our republic no one has ever tried that before. No one.
That's criminal behavior right there ... that's treason.
Lol. Whatever.
Her concession speech didn't do a damn thing. Not in the slightest. After the election she wisely went into hibernation. A year later she's back and part of the "resistance" blaming Russia interference and others for losing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...13e_story.htmlTE]
Like it or not 2016 set the tone for 2020. Hopefully 2022 will run smooth.
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