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Trump won several states by narrow margins in 2016 but now it's voter fraud because of an increase in mail-in ballots because of the pandemic. Claiming that it was fraud purely because of increased numbers isn't very factual, people did not want to poll in person because of the pandemic, that doesn't mean there was fraud. Besides you are ignoring the down ballot races, were they also subject to fraud.
Yes mail in ballots are more susceptible so why didn't Kris Koback address that on Trump's voter fraud commission. Still the amount of votes to steer an election in those swing states would have to be organized and massive and the fact remains that he just wasn't that popular having lost both elections by millions of votes.
In 2020, 43% of voters cast ballots by mail and another 26% voted in person before Election Day. In 2016, 21% mailed in their ballots and 19% voted in person prior to Election Day. Absentee ballots are the largest source of potential voter fraud. You had more volume and less government workers.
Just like unemployment insurance and massive aid in 2020, the government wasn't prepared to verify each application and was just handing money out the door to anybody that applied no questions asks resulting in billions of dollars in fraud. The same thing with the overwhelming absentee ballots. They had no way to verify that high amount. No manpower to verify, just accept as they come in.
Just like I.R.S. audits in 2020. The IRS was handcuffed and under staffed due to the restrictions of the pandemic that the audit division couldn't verify tax returns and was just sending refund checks and stimulus checks out the door no questions ask and billions of dollars in fraud also. Under staffed .
The government wasn't prepared that year to verify anything and lost billions of dollars in fraud and absentee ballots was easier since state governments were short of personnel. If it was done in billions of dollars in money, it was easier to do it with Absentee ballot.
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Until we re-establish a legitimate, well-documented, well-controlled, and honest voting process, no one in their right mind would accept election results in advance.
If the government in 2020 wasn't prepare for the massive money aid applications in pandemic aid and were handing money out the door no questions asks that resulted in massive fraud and the I.R.S. was also under staffed and they were also handing refunds and stimulus checks out the door then you know they didn't have the staff to handle the double volume for absent tee ballots with minimum staff.
If the government couldn't stop billions of dollars in fraud what makes you think they were prepared for massive absent tee ballots?
If the government in 2020 wasn't prepare for the massive money aid applications in pandemic aid and were handing money out the door no questions asks that resulted in massive fraud and the I.R.S. was also under staffed and they were also handing refunds and stimulus checks out the door then you know they didn't have the staff to handle the double volume for absent tee ballots with minimum staff.
If the government couldn't stop billions of dollars in fraud what makes you think they were prepared for massive absent tee ballots?
You wrote this as if you know absolutely nothing about how elections work, and I find that very surprising.
Elections are always run on the local level. The Federal government does not run elections for the states. It doesn't matter how well (or not) the Federal government runs the US Navy - Army - Air Force, or the Social Security Administration, the IRS or the Interstate Highway System or the TVA or any of that.
Ballots are ballots are ballots. The local governments and their many wonderful volunteers can count millions of ballots in real time on election days with a high degree of accuracy. Most of my Trumpie neighbors insisted on voting ON ELECTION DAY ONLY with that mad crush of voters, and the many county election officials across the country handled it all just fine.
Mail in ballots are actually much easier to handle, they take much of the pressure off the election workers who can concentrate on the effort with accuracy and integrity on a well managed timetable.
Now I suppose that you never volunteered to help on an election, otherwise you would know all this. Now is the time to volunteer, help your community and learn something about the process.
The Internet is the most powerful propaganda machine in the world. It's not like the old days, when books and pamphlets and radio broadcasts could be easily tracked to their source. Even way back in the 90's it should have been obvious where this was heading.
With today's anonymity, all it takes is a few Russian troll farms and agencies like the IRA mentioned above with a handful of agents to poison our social discourse. They have always promised to destroy us from within without firing a shot, and unfortunately they are succeeding. The idea that their efforts haven't worked to sway elections here in the US is naive.
It's not just about "casting disinformation". That would be too obvious. This is about the slow but relentless driving of wedges between the "right" and the "left". The more polarizing the American leader, the more useful they are for Russia. In fact the election of Obama was a turning point for them. He gave them an opening to start fanning the embers of opposition into a full-on movement that eventually led to Donald Trump.
Their end-game has always been the total dominance of the Western Hemisphere. That didn't change a bit after 1990 and the fall of the Soviet Union. It's not that they actually want to ally with someone like Trump. It's just that they want to use him to keep on chiseling away at our Constitutional Republic. Weak and divided, we are easy prey. And they are working the long game.
Did Russian meddling help flip the election? The author of Rigged makes it clear no one knows. The Obama Amin was aware of what Russia was doing but didn't feel it warranted immediate action (sanctions.)
Yet, "Not my President" became rallying cry by Dems and many in the MSM.
Until we re-establish a legitimate, well-documented, well-controlled, and honest voting process, no one in their right mind would accept election results in advance.
We already have a legitimate, well-documented, well-controlled, and honest voting process.
No one questioned it until Trump started to lie about it.
The problem is not with the process, the problem is with the people who think the process isn't functioning correctly.
In other words, it is a problem with people's over-active imaginations.
Did Russian meddling help flip the election? The author of Rigged makes it clear no one knows. The Obama Amin was aware of what Russia was doing but didn't feel it warranted immediate action (sanctions.)
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Russian meddling took many forms. The Senate investigation report on it ran to five volumes.
Besides the hacking of voter systems (supposedly largely unsuccessful) and the hacking of both political party's email servers with strategic releases of information, there was a great deal of misinformation put out through social media. Much of the misinformation in the form of memes, which people are happy to spread around without checking the facts.
So they sucked in a lot of gullible people. It's not really a crime to be so stupid, and it's not actually a crime to lie to stupid people. The right to lie is protected by the first Amendment.
It's sort of a perfect storm.
So we have millions of people placing votes based upon lies they have been told. It's not like that has never happened before, the big difference was the coordinated effort on the part of a foreign government to influence our foreign policy through these votes.
The rest of it was stuff like secret agents infiltrating organizations and foreign money pumped into campaign funds through schills.
It is very difficult to quantify how much damage was done. In some areas just a very few percentage points would be enough.
For instance, when Manafort sent private Republican polling data to Russia for the swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota we don't know how the Russians planned to use the information. Most likely they did granular targeting through social media, but we don't know what else they could have done nor how successful they were.
Naturally, Trump himself would be reluctant to admit that he received help from Russia, and Trump supporters would be embarrassed to admit that they had been persuaded by an internet lie program. Thus it is difficult to even have a discussion about it here.
Naturally, Trump himself would be reluctant to admit that he received help from Russia, and Trump supporters would be embarrassed to admit that they had been persuaded by an internet lie program. Thus it is difficult to even have a discussion about it here.
It's difficult to have a discussion on wishful thinking and we have plenty of lies and misinformation in our MSM and internet without Russia. Most of the lies and division are ingrown.
We already have a legitimate, well-documented, well-controlled, and honest voting process.
No one questioned it until Trump started to lie about it.
The problem is not with the process, the problem is with the people who think the process isn't functioning correctly.
In other words, it is a problem with people's over-active imaginations.
False as usual. Democrats have been questioning election results for decades. Only when they lose, of course.
The recent concerns about election integrity are completely valid. There is no reason we should have to wait weeks and sometimes months for the results of an election. All of this is a consequence of fraud-enabling measures enacted by Democrats, including extended early voting, universal mail-in voting, ballot harvesting, accepting mail-in votes days and weeks after election day, and removing election integrity safeguards like Voter ID and signature verification.
If Democrats want the American people to have confidence in election, they need to stop rigging them.
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