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Old 10-06-2008, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Originally Posted by big mean bear View Post
All babies are innocent before being proven guilty. Or do I mean before they are killed.
You still aren't justifying your point, that capital punishment is right. If an embryo/fetus is innoncent and killed and a person who is later found to be not guilty of capital punishment is killed, what is the difference?
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You misunderstand...

My implication is that NO child should be born.
You certainly are not the norm, it appears that you hate the pure existence of children. Why? Do you wish you had been aborted?
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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You certainly are not the norm, it appears that you hate the pure existence of children. Why? Do you wish you had been aborted?
Would have been preferable to what I was subjected to...
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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the fact, which no "pro choice" (or i like to call pro death) has been able to answer is alte term abortions, which in some states can be for mental or physcial reasons. Now I am perfectly understanign that if a women might die, she can get an abortion. The fact is though a "mental reason" can be anything, including temporary depression, as was seen with the case of "doctor" george tiller (the baby killer).

And for the comment a long time ago about it being more "economically better", we shoudl then theoretically kill all disabled people and homeless people..



No pro abortion person ahs ever been able to answer this. whats the difference between a baby in the womb who si 7 months old, and one born premature and living of a machine and is only 5 months old? how is that considered a baby but the one in the womb not? kinda dumb to me.

I do beleive criminals should be killled however. not thieves, not scam artists, but repeat murder and rape offenders. One time is understandable if its an accident or crime of passion (not rape im talkign about murder). Also because its ahrd to be sure if soemone commited a crime, so this kinda verifies that. the odds that there is good evidence the person commited seperate or several murders on seperate occasions is more believable. rapists and pedo's arent even people. whats the point of putting them in prision if they arent going to learn anything?? orr "councilling" to help them pfft.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:12 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I've always found this puzzling. Why does a man have any say in any of this? It's a woman's body and a woman's baby.

I've always found that odd that some strange man can tell a girl he has never met what she can or cannot do with her body.

Even if she has the kid she can keep the Father from seeing it one way or another.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Father doesn't even necessarily have any proof it's his. Just her word.

It's his when she wants him to pay for it, but NOT his when he wants his rights as a parent.

Interesting.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:48 PM
 
Location: a warmer place
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Touche.

Between the initial Shock and Awe indiscriminate bombing of residential areas and the later dramatic increase in recent years due to lack of doctors, hospitals, medicine, child mortality has gone through the roof - estimates are 1 out of 8 children now die before 5 years old.


I guess Muslim babies don't count.
I have yet to have anyone here on these posts explain this to me so I guess you are correct. It is like radio silence for the innocents overseas.......so very sad.
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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first of all angrytaxpayer its not her body. when she has another perosn inside its now two people. thats why fetus' (babies) are protected in many countries under the law as being a person, because we all know under the alw they cant kill a perosn.

And you want to knwo why a man should ahve the right? because it takes two to tango. I would perfectly agree with you, that a man has no rights, as long as all men were hereby freed from paying child support and such.

Funny how its conveniently the fathers child when a women wants him to pay. why is it a man cant say no to a baby, and therefore has to pay, or cant say yes, and has to watch a perfectly beautiful child of HIS (yes i know its a new concept that it takes two people to ahve a child, the feminists will be shocked) as well. its really the sadest story out there, and it happens all the time. And pelase dont tell me "only women want to be parents because of thier feminine intuition garbage. its BS, a way for feminists to dehumanize the violent, fat men and elevate the "caring, loving women. biologically dont deny it its his too. biology unfortunately, cant explain the 'rights" a women has to somehting she only half created.

You want to talk about rights? and feminism? lets tlak about the gross abuse of fathers rights and of rapists. ( i think rapists should be killed however rape has the highest amount of false convictions in america. these guys who did nothing have thier lives ruined forever. and if the women gets caught lieing? a slap on the hand? at best?
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I've always found this puzzling. Why does a man have any say in any of this? It's a woman's body and a woman's baby.
First off - the child is also the MAN's child - without the man, there would be no child

Then, there are an awful lot of situations where the man (remember him) sincerely wants to care and nurture THEIR child.

Then there are the situations, albeit somewhat rare, when the man is the one who has to make the decision to abort the child and save the mother or vice versa.

How's these for starters
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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First off - the child is also the MAN's child - without the man, there would be no child

Then, there are an awful lot of situations where the man (remember him) sincerely wants to care and nurture THEIR child.

Then there are the situations, albeit somewhat rare, when the man is the one who has to make the decision to abort the child and save the mother or vice versa.

How's these for starters
I thought they called that sex? And we are talking about the kid not being born yet but I will elude to that too.

If the woman wants to get an abortion she can do it without the consent of the man. She can also just disappear and claim "whatever" as the reason the man can't see the kid. All she has to do is say the man was beating her. That is all the reason she has to submit.

I just find it funny that some man in Politics can stand up there on a podium and preach about a woman's body. Shouldn't only women be able to do that?

Child support and all that is an entirely different issue.
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