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There was a brief period in my state (WA) where the FDA announced that it was going to commence running entrapments of grocery and convenience clerks under the Clinton admin, but AFAIK they were booted by state and local authorities who had already called dibs on this source of fine revenue.
They got a friend of mine once, a laid-off Boeing engineer who was working at a convenience store rather than collecting unemployment. They sent in a tall girl holding a baby, and he sold her a pack of smokes, figuring that she was well over 18. Busted....!
Busting stores that sell cigs or that matter alcohol to minors is not the same as a state, county or municipality banning adult smoking in all or some workplaces, outdoor public space, cars and the never ending municipal battles going on to ban smoking in attached housing.
I am not a smoker but come on now, some of this is goofy.
You are trying to dictate what will make the business grow, it is the market that decides what will make a business grow. Whether having a smoking or non-smoking environment is going to increase business is entirely dependent on the clientele and the business you are trying to attract. There is a demand for places to allow smoking, if I was able to open a smoking bar in an area that had none I wouldn't have enough room for people.
If I opened such bar would I be an overwhelming success in that area? There is your business lesson for today. There is more to business than simply catering to the masses where the competition is fierce, catering to a niche can be extremely lucrative.
And because of people like you your time on deciding how much popcorn you want is getting ready to leave the building too...
First , I do have a question, here in AZ. there are "smoke shops" all over Tucson , some will add to the description " Hookah shops". Could this be those smoking places you refer too ?
Now ,to your first reply: My references were directed into the direction of non public visiting places like factories etc., places where they make a product or assemble a product. For the most part these places have smoking bans as a requirement by law......I understand the niche market , thats what was my success all those years in my brokerage business, I only catered to capital goods investment companies and people.
Second; I have no interest in limiting product consumption. I believe in open markets, open entry , only exception is public safety and in specific cases predatory pricing. level playing fields are at the base of my theory, thats why we need Government ( Federal ) its called over site in a more perfect world.
It's simple. A smoking ban doesn't keep anyone out. Allowing smoking effectively does. Do you really want to tell your grandmother that she can't go get groceries anymore because the one store within reach of her now allows smoking and she can't physically take the smoke? Do you want to tell the the 9 year old cancer survivor that she can't go to Chuckee Cheese anymore and be more like a "normal" kid after spending years in a hospital undergoing chemo because they decided to allow smoking and she physically can't take it?
[quote=Delahanty;38988920]Oh, enough already. Next time you sniff out a smoker, instead of clutching your pearls and marinating in your discomfort, do what I do: keep walking.
Heaven forbid you should get stuck, as I have, behind some guy in Wegmans who cut the cheese. You people are too much.[
All this talk is for not, the smoking ban is already in place, just about everywhere except Casino's. So, I guess your argument should be about the smoking in Casino's
Here in Minnesota we have been dealing with a smoking ban on restaurants and bars. The ban was struck down state-wide, except in the counties that surround Minneapolis/St. Paul. Many people are upset that smoking is not allowed in public places. I for one am extremely happy for this because I simply don't like the smell of cigarette smoke and all other types. My wife and kids have severe asthma so that is yet a more important reason for not wanting to be around the smoke.
Many people of course are whining that their rights are being taken away by these bans that have been in place for about a year now. My take on it is what about the rights of nonsmokers? What about the rights of people like my young kids who have asthma and can't go out to restaurants if there is a smoking section? It's a controversy where there are no winners...and everyone loses...like my mother-in-law who died due to smoking.
I am so glad your here to direct everyone's personal decisions. Why can't moonbats stop dictating what other people should do. Gays get aids and its preventable let alone it spreads to non-gays so let's outlaw homosexuality? For Christs sake let people make their own decisions and work on yourself.
First , I do have a question, here in AZ. there are "smoke shops" all over Tucson , some will add to the description " Hookah shops". Could this be those smoking places you refer too ?
What I'm referring to is any privately owned business that wants to allow smoking. You can argue this a good a bad decision but as far as I'm concerned it's neither my business to tell someone they need to allow smoking or you tell them they can't. It should be at the sole discretion of the owner.
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only exception is public safety
This can be applied to everything under the sun including how much butter is on your popcorn. The government does not have to be involved in personal choices and walking into a business that allows smoking is a choice.
It's simple. A smoking ban doesn't keep anyone out. Allowing smoking effectively does.
If you are not responsible enough to make your own decision going into a bar that allows smoking you're not responsible enough to be there to begin with.
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Do you really want to tell your grandmother that she can't go get groceries anymore because the one store within reach of her now allows smoking and she can't physically take the smoke? Do you want to tell the the 9 year old cancer survivor that she can't go to Chuckee Cheese anymore and be more like a "normal" kid after spending years in a hospital undergoing chemo because they decided to allow smoking and she physically can't take it?
You would expect that the local grocery store and Chuckee Cheese is going to allow smoking? If Chuckee Cheese allowed smoking it sounds like a golden business opportunity to open a non smoking establishment next to it. What am I missing here?
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