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Old 11-19-2008, 08:09 PM
 
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Since the will of the voters doesn't appear to carry much weight, perhaps the ridiculous 1997 proposition where idiotic CA voters chose to ban affirmative action should also be challenged.
It has been challenged - many times. The challenges have failed.

California Proposition 209 (1996) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:18 PM
 
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Trying to steal our thousands of years old moral and social traditions of marriage is a most cruel discrimination to most Americans, that is the way it is.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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the mormons lied through their teeth to sway the uneducated masses of folk who vote "culturally". CA is much more conservative than ppl think.
I've never seen a single ad since I do not watch TV. I voted for Prop 8 due to my Christian faith.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:25 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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Yeah, I know. I don't understand it. How can we have an impartial judiciary if they're subject to being recalled by the electorate?
No, I think the people should have the power to re-call a judge even though it is rare & mostly unsuccessful. The chief justice of the state supreme court was re-called many years ago [can't recall her name] over the issue of capital punishment which she wanted to outlaw. That issue is also on the court schedule again.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Trying to steal our thousands of years old moral and social traditions of marriage is a most cruel discrimination to most Americans, that is the way it is.


Give them civil unions with the same rights as married couples have. If they want to call it marriage, it can be between them and their church.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:28 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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No, I think the people should have the power to re-call a judge even though it is rare & mostly unsuccessful. The chief justice of the state supreme court was re-called many years ago [can't recall her name] over the issue of capital punishment which she wanted to outlaw. That issue is also on the court schedule again.
So you believe that judges should be able to rule on matters without being accountable to the public? The US isn't a monarchy and this is what we are becoming when unaccountable judges enact laws. The judges are supposed to rule on an issue and give it to the legislators to enact laws. This is why we have the checks and balances. To protect ourselves from tyranny from the bench.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:28 PM
 
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Trying to steal our thousands of years old moral and social traditions of marriage is a most cruel discrimination to most Americans, that is the way it is.
Marriage has changed and evolved over the centuries, and there are still major differences in how marriages are arranged today from one society to the next.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:31 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Marriage has changed and evolved over the centuries, and there are still major differences in how marriages are arranged today from one society to the next.
Yes, true. BUT marriage has ALWAYS been a union between a man and woman. The essential definition has never changed.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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the mormons lied through their teeth to sway the uneducated masses of folk who vote "culturally". CA is much more conservative than ppl think.

It's this attitude that is most unhelpful and offensive. Why do are the people who disagree with you ignorant? Are you an all knowing God? Or are you just another person with an opinion? Are you saying that anyone with different cultural values are all ignorant because they differ from yours? If so, that would be pretty ignorant of you? How can you demand respect for your opinion/position when you clearly disrespect anyone who doesn't agree with you.

BTW, you don't need much education to understand "only a marriage between a man and woman is valid". So instead of calling us uneduated, just say we disagree. Again, the name calling is not necessary and a sign of ignorance.
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:32 PM
 
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No, I think the people should have the power to re-call a judge even though it is rare & mostly unsuccessful.
Why? How can a judge do his or her job properly if he's forced to make decisions partially based on the threat of a recall?

After the U.S. Supreme Court said that "colored children" must be allowed to attend the same schools as whites, should there have been a recall effort? A large percentage of the people at the time - maybe the majority - were against school integration.
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