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Old 12-27-2008, 11:35 AM
 
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by the way, this doesn't hve anything to do with religion. Some of the most patriotic Palestinians are Christians, and the most part of Israelis consider themselves secular folks. It's about land and water.

 
Old 12-27-2008, 11:40 AM
 
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If you want to talk about suicide bombers, then start a thread. I never advocated suicide bombings BTW.

Why can't you and your ilk just admit to the fact that what Israel did is wrong? Why is it so one sided with you people? Can't you support the state of Isreal and still be against some of her practices? Do you advocate air raiding a village at the end of the school day because a member of Hamas might be there? Would you advocate air raiding your street if there were a criminal living there? Can you see the evilness of this act? To some people it's just a news story, but you forget that these are innocent civilians. It's depressing...
Normally I would agree with you as in Israels actions against Lebanon. However in this case Israel actually showed great restraint. Endured weeks of rocket and mortor attacks against (civilian targets)... They responded by pounding Humas strong holds and compounds. (Military targets). Yes some civilians were killed and wounded. Blame the HUmas for the rocket attacks. Did anyone even think that Israel would just ignore the attacks? Would we if it were happening to us? Would Egypt or Iran or Syria? I think not.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 11:45 AM
 
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They are more than just 'criminals'. You seem to give the rocket launchers a pass. How would you like to live in a neighborhood under a constant barrage by rockets?

I can almost guarantee you would be screeching for your government to do something.

What was Israel doing before Hamas started launching their rockets? Answer; Nothing. Israel was not air-raiding or bombing.
That is not true..... Israel is always doing its level best to annoy the palestinians. Blockades of food and fuel going into Palestinan locations etc. That is a norm over there. Check points designed to harrass palestinians more than for security reasons. Denying Palestians access to Israeli terrotory even though they have all the correct documents and have valid jobs in Israel. No the the Israeli's are not without guilt.... Never were never will be.
Blowing up civilian targets. King David Hotel???? Now who did that?
Israel is no lamb. But in this case they did show restraint I never would have believed them capable of.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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Default Herein lies the never ending conflict.

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 12:05 PM
 
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And yet still some will wonder why peace eludes the middle east.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 12:19 PM
 
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oh, and Israel shouldn't be the one to label others as terrorists, when the birth of their State was boosted by terrorist attacks like those against the King David Hotel, executed by irgun and Haganah
 
Old 12-27-2008, 12:21 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/wo...t.html?_r=1&hp

GAZA CITY — The Israeli Air Force on Saturday launched a massive attack on Hamas targets throughout Gaza in retaliation for the recent heavy rocket fire from the area, hitting mostly security headquarters, training compounds and weapons storage facilities, the Israeli military and witnesses said.

Moderator cut: Please don't post the entire article
i be leaving the hood.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 12:23 PM
 
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oh, and Israel shouldn't be the one to label others as terrorists, when the birth of their State was boosted by terrorist attacks like those against the King David Hotel, executed by irgun and Haganah
Ah and thus my problem with Israels we are lambs forced to defend ourselves propoganda machine.
Israel was born of terrorist activities. They are far from innocent and really have sacrificed the right to judge others in this reguard.
But the military action they took today was justified. No matter how you look at it.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 12:26 PM
 
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Oh good lord... You mean the jihad that the Muslims have been waging on Israel for the past 60 years?


What does Hamas THINK is going to happen, as a result of them constantly shooting rockets into civilian Israeli neighborhoods? Criminals are playing the role of victim, and the silly people of the world are more than willing to gulp down the propaganda.

Hey all, here's a possibility: Stop trying to annihilate Israel. Stop lobbing rockets into neighborhoods. Stop sending in suicide bombers. You might be VERY surprised what could happen!
The master of lies is with them.....they do not believe in Peace but they are fighting God. And the God of Isreal. That is a losing battle......granted i am not that smart, thank God.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 12:27 PM
 
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Ah and thus my problem with Israels we are lambs forced to defend ourselves propoganda machine.
Israel was born of terrorist activities. They are far from innocent and really have sacrificed the right to judge others in this reguard.
But the military action they took today was justified. No matter how you look at it.
And we performed a holocaust on the Indians..... Trail of tears.... If we want to hold grudges you should just start killing everyone around you. *NOT SERIOUS*
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